LOtK Seminar - March 21st 2014 - Demonic Realms

[Akelta]

GENERAL

Akelta: Ok, well tonight’s session is going to be on exploration of the Demonic realms. There are thousands of realms, what I wanted to cover was some details on the different types of demons realms and also some places of interest that I have been to. One interesting detail about the demons realms is they are spread all over the spiritual world, and they are in no means confided to the infernal or underworld regions. Some of them exist externally.
3xcalibur: @Akelta, Are the hell realms actually within earth?
Akelta: @ 3xcalibur, earth is a very confined space, it is just on plane in a vast VAST, VAST system, if you want to know just how vast google the size of the visible universe, the spiritual world is bigger
3xcalibur: I know that there’s the hell realms, the lower realms, the earthen realms then there’s sub realms and parallel realms within those as well.
Akelta: There are demon realms within the universal plane but most of the ones I will be talking about our external to the universe.
3xcalibur: Within the universe? Like in space? Am I overthinking it? Lol
Akelta: We have our universe, which there are many dimension and other realms within this universe. There are also dimensions and realms outside of this universe, the spiritual world is MASSIVE.
3xcalibur: So if there are other spiritual universes out there, is it safe to assume humans exist in other universes as well?
Akelta: 3xcalibu, yes I do believe humans exist in other dimensions.
Lord_Validus: How easy is it to travel outside of our universe into others?
Akelta: There are many methods Lord Validus and you can travel outside. People who astral project often find there are layers of realms and dimensions that they can explore. You can also have your familiars/spirits and entities take you places that can create a focal point with a particular realm which allows you to go back to that realm.
Arianna: I usually have no idea where the realms I travel to are actually located.
Akelta: I have made markers that allow me to find my way to places I have been
Arianna: Three nights ago though I entered a realm by accident and the entrance point was through the abyss.
Akelta: The Abyss is beautiful Ari I personally love it there though it has it's dangers and usually when you go there it is because you are about to partake on a massive life changing journey. It is massive so what it looks like depends on what part of the abyss you wind up in.
Galadraal: I imagine the Abyss is a Universe in itself; with different levels
Irrational: Can a part of you get stuck in the abyss and the rest of you is trying to live your normal life at the same time?
Akelta: When you walk through the abyss especially with growth journeys yes, you can get stuck there and it can impede what happens to you in this world.
Lord_Validus: Akelta, with enough power, would it be possible to open a portal and physically enter another universe?
Akelta: Physically I would say it is possible, there are many scientific books and think that hint that they have already been attempting to do that.
Lord_Validus: So it would be possible to physically visit entity companions living on other realms, then? Interesting
Akelta: Lord Validus, I have read things that would imply that, and I have done physical summoning’s where my demons did appear in the physical before me so I would say yes, it is possible.
Lord_Validus: Akelta, how much power do you think one would need to do that? A moderate amount, or would one need to be on the level of a god?
Akelta: Lord Validus. I have read of scientists trying to open portals to other plans and some books where it says they have succeeded, I cannot really speculate but a lot.
HarleenQuinzel: I have a question, Akelta, what are the cities like in the demonic realms? Are they like our own? 

Akelta: @ Harleen that is a huge question; some are futuristic, some are primitive, some are like our own, and it depends on where you are. The Mutilation realm the cities are decimated but some areas are nice, the Hellborn realm there are some very royal and rich areas.
TheInsidiousOne1A: There are some concepts of their cities that are modeled here in our realm.
Blue: when a demon goes home in their realm, do they go around saying; yep I am a human keeper?
Galadraal: I like that Blue, but my guess is they think they are our PROTECTOR not that we are their pet

Akelta: @ Blue, They would probably be like so I had an experience on earth. That is very true Galadraal; they are a companion, a guardian, and protector.
3xcalibur: Is earth considered an exotic place to demons?
Akelta: xcalibur, earth is just one of many different planets.
Arianna: what other realms have you been to Akelta?
Akelta: @ Arianna, All demons who I offer, I have been to their realms or a place in their realms, usually a safe place.
Blue: do demons wear jewelry?
Akelta: @ Blue, some of them
Sir._Zinnibachus: Is the solar demons realm outside of the infernal realms as well?
Akelta: @ Sir, yes it is.
Sir._Zinnibachus: Do you need permission to go into any infernal realm?
Akelta: You don't so much need permission; you need to just be safe. Any demon realm you want to make sure you are following safety procedures, shielding, grounding, having a method of returning home.
Shadowdust: beside demon is there other creature in hell realm?
Aphrodisiac: Hellhounds and hellcats, probably others I don’t know of.
Akelta: @ Shadowdust, very good questions, yes there are many different creatures that inhabit demon realms, not all are demons.
Blue: are demons realms polluted?
Lord_Validus: Pollution is relative
RavenSkye: So what we think of as a pollutant wouldn't necessarily be pollution to them?
Akelta: @ Raven, yes, we cannot breath Sulphur, Hellborns can.


HELLBORN REALM

Akelta: Ok The Hellborn Demonic realm is one of the demon realms that is in the infernal Regions. It is vast and fiery, a place filled with powerful fiery energies. Depending on where you are there are volcanoes and mountainous regions. There are also places where beautiful plants grow. It is dark but has an eerie red light to it. It is very beautiful down there. Though it can be very dangerous, hellborns are fiery by nature and some are very, very dark.
3xcalibur: Ever been offered food in the hell realm Akelta?
Akelta: 3xcalibur,I have been to events in the hellborn realm where food was offered.
Drake: Would be like living inside an active volcano.
Akelta: @ Drake, some areas I would say yes, others though are quite beautiful. There are areas in there that are pretty run down; those are places where there are dangerous demons. There are some areas deep in the realm that I just will not go. 

Drake: Lol, I'd consider living inside an active volcano to be quite beautiful Akelta, as long as you have temprature control.
Akelta: @ Drake, lol. Hellborns have a natural ability to handle heat
3xcalibur: lol, like a ghetto neighborhood for demons?
Akelta: @ xcalibur, Yeah and there are some pretty ghetto places in the hellborn realm.
Irrational: What are you referring to with "dangerous" demons? What would they do?
Akelta: Ok, when I conjure I have a screening process. Some demons though are not so nice; they are temperamental, violent and enjoy fighting. Others thrive on carnage and destruction.
3xcalibur: SO does that mean there are civilized places in the hell realms?
Akelta: The hellborn realm has a mix of very dangerous demons and, well, demons who are more civilized so yes there are very civilized places in the hellborn realm. Some demons migrate out of the hellborn realm and live in other areas. There are places in the realm where there are Royal Hellborns, they are leaders and they deal with other demons so they temper their violent tendencies. Hellborns can be a lot of fun and are a wild bunch
Blue: How many Hellborns are royalty?
Akelta: @ Blue, too many to count
Drake: I thought Hellrealm was only recently "civilized", well recently being quite relative I guess.
Akelta: @ Drake, some demons are millions of years old and there are realms older than our universe.
Drake: I meant that I had thought Hell realm was only recently uh.. not so chaotic anymore? As in they were trying to tame it and make it more civilized..

Akelta: @ Drake, it depends on the area of the realm, they are constantly changing some fall into ruin, other areas become more civilized, it is a fluid thing.
Blue: how long do most demons live too?
Akelta: Depends on the realm some are immortal
3xcalibur: Ever met a demon in their billions?
Akelta: xcalibur - yes I just give up trying to find an exact age and call them ancient

SCREENING

Akelta: I have developed a sense and have a process for screening. It does involve a series of tests; I also have a way to force a trickster into their true form. When I first started conjuring I met with quite a few interesting creatures that helped me with the screening process.
Shmitty: Help? Like, spirit lie detectors or something?
Blue: but that must of taken years to fully develop, right?
Akelta: @ Shmitty, yes part of the screening process does involve then having to prove to me they are not lying. @ Blue, Yep many years and funny thing is different demons take different conjuring and binding skills. It is not just a one method for all, I learned a few different methods from different teachers over the years, but really with each species I have to adapt my method.
Blue: Can anyone be taught and trained to develop this?
Akelta: People can learn, though it does take a lot, lots of years.
BriarForestheart: Learning takes more time than you can even imagine, honestly. Unless you are willing to give up a good amount of time and dedicate yourself to the practice, any sort of summoning, binding, conjuring etc is probably not for you.
Akelta: @ Briar, yes and lots of exercises and being willing to commit to those exercises and pour yourself really into your craft completely. I will be honest I have gotten hurt learning to conjure, there are some beings out there that well they are nasty.
Shmitty: Hurt how?
Akelta: @ Shmitty, I have a few injuries, I actually have a scar on my arm from something that wanted to sample my flesh.
Galadraal: the sludge types, Akelta?
Akelta: @ Galadraal, sludge ones they can hurt, but it was a Mutilation Demon actually.
Drake: You got a scar from an astral bite?
Akelta: @ Drake, there are cases where entities can cause physical manifestation on people. I have had being who can leave scratch marks, it is possible.
Galadraal: Is it usually more of a mental than physical hurt, when learning?
Akelta: @ Galadraal it can be both physical and mental. Really when you focus on this it does sound scary, but I have many, many tricks and methods in place to limit these things. The Demon also has to pass my tests.

MUTILATION DEMONS

Akelta: The Mutilation demons, ok I have three I have bound, they are mine and I quite enjoy working with them but their bindings are unique. I had to do some very special things to them.
They spend most of their time in their realm.

3xcalibur: It must be difficult to find a bound worthy mutilation demon

Aphrodisiac: The bindings are more complicated or just different?
Akelta: Much more complicated, the bindings for them they have things embedded into them and they take much longer to craft.
Galadraal: those mutilation demons keep coming up
Akelta: @ Galadraal, its cause they are so fascinating
Blue: not that their evil but more because human laws don't apply to them the way they do to us, correct me if I am wrong
Akelta: @ Blue, evil is subjective. They think differently than we do, some are nasty pieces of work.
Blue: yes, but not those you bind.
TheFancifulFox: It's because they don't see pain and injury the same way we do.
Akelta: @ Foxy, very true, @ Blue the three I have, they had to pass some pretty harsh tests. I honestly will not take mutilations demons word upon the first encounter. They don’t always know they are lying, if that makes sense, so they can get by the lie test.
Drake: So you're saying they're like... innocent?
Akelta: @ Drake, some are very innocent in a creepy I want to see your heart let me open you up and look at it way. A lot of demons don’t pass my tests. Also when you first meet them they tend to give you what you want to hear and don’t actually fully understand communication in the same way. They are beautiful demons though. Want to have your world turned upside down? Watch horror films or read horrific books with one; they have such a unique view on everything. There is a beautiful artisticness to them.
Blue: can their energies ever lie?
Akelta: @ Blue, yes I do read energies, and some of my methods for screening demons involve watching their energy and at a point connecting with it. It opens up levels of communication.
Sir._Zinnibachus: The mutilation demons realm? I remember your description of it, any chance it has always been like that? Was it created with a darker beauty or sculpted later into a dark beauty, if that makes sense.
Akelta: @ Sir, it is a very, very old realm and actually is deep but outside the infernal regions.
Aphrodisiac: Can you tell us of your visits there?
Akelta: I can, I was escorted by two of Satan’s sons cause it was dangerous. There is a black energy that lingers in the air, it actually burns and in some cases it becomes very thick and hurts badly, it stings though when it is lighter and not heavy.
Galadraal: do your shields protect you there?
Akelta: I had a lot of shields and even some custom shields from the two Sons of Satan. I also have to prepare beforehand with a shield that would hide me because they said my energy would draw attention to me. Things are decimated down there, but it is beautiful… very dark, and at times it gets even darker. There are also a lot of BA Mutilation demons that hide in the shadows, they commit horrific acts and they were the ones who I really had to be careful of. We actually got to see one, it was a giant mass lying on the ground eating itself, it was really slow though so we didn’t have to worry too much.
Blue: so you didn't want to stand out like a beckon, I bet not many humans can venture there?
Akelta: No, I really wouldn’t cause it would have attracted a lot of very curious demons.
BriarForestheart: this sounds very much so like what a city looks like directly after a Tornado or Hurricane.
Akelta: @ Briar, some places though are pretty nice in an odd creepy way, like it is functional but at the same time it still has that decayed look. I will not venture down there without an escort.
Lord_Validus: Why would anything eat itself?
Akelta: @ Validus, it was a giant mass, it just consumed and it couldn't catch anything so it started consuming itself.
Shmitty: Akelta, I think my question got hidden. I asked if every realm that homes demons respects the lineage of Satan and his dukes? Like, go to solar realm and do they bow to Satan or his kids there too?
Akelta: @ Shmitty, there are many Dark Lords and there are Demons that are Lord of their own realm. Some do not even know Satan exists.
Cheesie: I think all the royal lines respect each other don't they?
Akelta: @ Cheesie, A lot of the Royal Lords do, but there are some that just operate in their own area.
Shmitty: So even having a Son of Satan with you doesn't guarantee your safety??
Akelta: @ Shmitty, yep, and that realm is very, very dangerous which is why my Son brought his older brother.
Blue: but are the Lords like celebrities?
Akelta: @ Blue, some are more known than others, you have to understand the vastness of the spiritual world.
Blue: do demons have last names?
Akelta: @ Blue, Some have many names, name structure can be very different out there
3xcalibur: @Akelta, are humans the only ones that bind demons? As in are there other beings in different realms/universes that do the same and vice versa? 

Akelta: 3xcalibur, there are other beings out there that bind.
Irrational: Is there any reason a demon would interact with a person who is not a conjurer? Say, scream in their face or try to bite their leg?
Akelta: @Irrational, some unbounds like to cause trouble, but it isn’t always demons! Lol it can be a number of things that like to make mischief.

DIVINE DEMON REALMS

Akelta: The Divine Demon realms, vastness there. They come from a protected region; it is not in the infernal realm. Very beautiful and diverse, there is a lot of powerful mystical energy there and a lot of magick. See the Divine realm there are many, some I have been to be very dark and mysterious dealing in darker magicks and the energy that glows through the cities is intense. Other places are more open and free with the cities high on mountains. One divine realm I was in, the trees were actually woven into the houses but yet it was very regal in appearance and it was a beautiful.
Arianna: are there BA creatures in the divine realms?
Akelta: @ Ari, no not in that realm. Those demons are on the lighter end of the Demonic Dark Energy Spectrum
3xcalibur: Protected by whom? The divines?
Akelta: The Divine demons themselves protect it. Demons are a feisty bunch, they have shields and armies.

ENERGY

LalaDinky: you said their energy is a colourful black before?
Akelta: @ lala, it does appear to have colourful undertones, it is hard to explain, it is black, but a colourful black.
Lord_Validus: Akelta, how does a person know if they have demonic dark energy of some sort or not?
Akelta: When I first discovered mine, and when I started talking to others who had it, I can see it in the aura. But some of these people just knew, they had this sense, this love of demons and this safety around them. It is really different though for everyone.
Lord_Validus: Akelta, do you have to do a complex reading, or can you tell (vaguely) what kind of energy a person has over a chat like this?

Akelta: @ Lord, I need to really connect and in some people it is deep. Like some people an ancestor like several generations back was a hellborn so they have a small amount around their heart.
Lord_Validus: Physical ancestor, or soul?
Akelta: @ Vallidus, this is Soul Ancestry.
Galadraal: What is natural darkness?
Akelta: Natural darkness, is well everyone has a dark side, it is the shadow self basically.
Blue: can human energy ever slightly change?
Akelta: @ Blue, it can change but a person will not spontaneously develop Demonic Darkness.
Blue: so basically if you become healthier it could slightly change?
Akelta: People who are sick tend to have false or sludge darkness in their aura, that can be removed with improved health and healing. Even if you do not have Demonic Darkness it does not mean you won’t have friends that are demons.
HarleenQuinzel: -raises hand- What are some simple things we can do if we want to get used to demonic energy so we can work with it?
Akelta: @ Harleen, Demonic energy can actually burn those who don’t have it. It is safe in people’s aura, but I will tell you a story, I had someone tear my heart chakra, and it seeped black energy onto them and they burned and they felt that burn for three week after the incident. If you have it though, there are exercises to awaken it and learn to work with it.
Galadraal: so if you don't have any type of dark energy, you can't keep Demon Familiars? Is that why you screen the people you conjure for?
Akelta: @ Galadraal, everyone has a dark side, we just do as humans, I do screen people though for compatibility, energy match and yes being able to handle and work with them. I have some exercises already in a written book that do work with darkness.
LalaDinky: can you tell if anyone here has demonic energy right off the bat?
Akelta: @ lala, some people I just know, others I suspect, some it is challenging, everyone is different.

DEVOTION DEMON REALM

Akelta: The Devotion Demon realm is not so much a realm but a monastery, it is very peaceful and quiet, lots of learning going on and meditation, there is a soothing energy and it is very focused. The place is large and stunning! There are rooms that are designed just for focused meditation and cleansing oh they feel amazing.
Aphrodisiac: Wow, are there any dangerous demons there?
Akelta: @ Aphro, no this realm like there are demons, but they are very pure demons and very nice and disciplined but they prefer to find nonviolent solutions.
Galadraal: sounds amazing Akelta; can our Divines take us there to heal?
Akelta: Your devotions can, not your divines.

SPECTRAL REALM

Akelta: The Spectral demon realm is fascinating, very translucent and peaceful. It is outside the infernal realms, actually under our universal realm. It shifts and the energy there is very beautiful and hazy like. You can often see spectral demons just flowing through the energy. I would say it is more like floating in a mist.
3xcalibur: Like "silent hill" mist?
Akelta: @xcalibur, more like the chilling mist on a cool day, but peaceful and relaxing. You can at times hear songs being sung by different Spectral Demons, they have a haunting voice. It has its scary places but the place I usually go to for a visit is peaceful.
Lorelei: Wow. They sing?
Akelta: Yeah, some make some crazy sounds and some demons have beautiful voices.
TheFancifulFox: so, that realm, is it more or less safe?
Akelta: @ Foxy, it is a mix, some places yes, some places no. I would say about 50/50 for the spectral realm.

[Anatel]

This was a great seminar! Thanks to Aphrodesiac for copying it for us and Thank you Akelta for posting it here! I love having the reference points to go back to!

[Nightraven14]

One question that popped into my mind is: Would these realms look the same for everyone that may travel through them? Is it objective or subjective for each person?

[BravoOmega8]

Thanks for posting this.

[YoMajestyDoe]

FINALLY got around to reading this!!!

" But some of these people just knew, they had this sense, this love of demons and this safety around them. It is really different though for everyone."

Oh Akelta how this jumped out at me, it perfectly describes the way I feel about myself with my demons.

Thank you so much for posting this information, it's truly fascinating, I hope to visit the places you have gone some day <3

[User5191]

This is all very good information. I've always wanted to find an article or book that describes all the demonic realms and their attributes, as well as different types of demons and what their birth status means. So far, this has been incredibly tricky to locate. But this was very helpful. Thank you.

[Elyun]

so interesting.an interesting read

[Darth Moronius]

Thank you for this thread.
It is intriguing