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*Takes Vixen's answer, dips it in dark chocolate and covers it with huge green pumpkin seeds and pecans. Chews* A very interesting answer! I like the term 'empowered demonics'. heheh!
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Heidi wrote:That depends on the demon, the demon's keeper and the person the keeper considers a foe. It is possible that a demon (or any other kind of spirit really) will go and attack someone their human companion considers a foe or a threat, even when not asked to do so. That's one of the reasons house rules are important. When someone is being hostile towards you but you don't think they are a real threat (someone online who is just pretending to be all-important and powerful for example), it's a good idea to let your spirits know how you want this handled. If for example you don't want them to go after the person, let them know that you don't consider the person a thread and you don't want them harmed, unless they actually attack you (and if they do, do you want the attack to be blocked or returned to the sender, or are you going to go after them too?). When it comes to highly evolved beings like the demons Akelta conjures, it's a bit rare that they will have such a short temper that they will go and attack every person who is offensive or every person their companion dislikes, but since many of us have a big number of bound spirits and all of us are born with protectors and guiding spirits of different kinds, each with their own morality and logic, it is a good idea to have a plan when it comes to what you want in different scenarios that may come up, so that you can remind all your spirits what your wishes are when it does come up.

Now in the case where someone has a demon and they dislike a person even though the person has done nothing wrong, how the demon will act greatly depends on the demon. Based on my experience, I'm inclined to say that the majority of demons from S&S wouldn't go and wreck someone's life out of nowhere, just because their human companion isn't fond of the person. In the case where their companion actively sends them to attack someone they perceive as a threat (say another forum member), they will probably go and check the person out, but my money is on the scenario where they won't really cause harm if they see it's really not needed. They may choose to just remove the person from their companion's life instead for example, or they may even do nothing.

In any case, it's a good idea to remember that relationships with spirits are negotiable. Just because a spirit is someone else's companion doesn't mean they are soldiers blindly doing their companion's bidding. When you notice the presence of a hostile spirit (provided that it's not BA or a sludge monster or something like that), you can try to find out what is going on, who sent them, why etc. That doesn't apply to every case, but in some cases you can avoid an attack by showing the spirit that you aren't the enemy here. They can choose not to attack someone, even if their companion sent them for that purpose, if they see the situation is different than what their companion thinks. It's not much different to how humans react. You may initially hate someone because your best friend hates them and has told you what a horrible person they are. But if you spend some time with the person, you may realize that they don't seem to be that horrible person you thought, and you may decide that your friend was overreacting and that you want to give the person a chance, cause it may all have been a misunderstanding.
Thank you Heidi for your input, you make a lot of very good points
I myself do have a big spirit family at the moment and I know I had to tell them how to react if a hostile situation were to ever occur. That would be great if someone was able to calm the demon (or any being that's not a BA or sludge) and provide the being insight as to what really happened. I can relate o the example above, I was the same way towards someone until I found out they were actually very decent and not as horrible as my "friend" said they were.
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Satan's Hellcat wrote:I would be cautious. There ARE BA demons, Fae, and other entities that can be very powerful and hateful and only want to hurt someone. Other people may conjure an entity and CALL it a Demon, but it's only your guess what it really is. One of Akelta's demons I would just talk to and explain the situation. My demons have NOT been quick to attack people, even people who are actually hurting me, with the exception of my Crypt Demon Evil. A neighbor in my apartment complex took great delight in telling me she reported me to the management for banging my walker against the doors and damaging them. I never did any such thing, and it annoyed me! Our management can and WILL get rid of you if you are tearing equipment up or not being a good neighbor. Said person was suddenly in the hospital not a day later! I found a note pushed under my door when she got out, explaining she was sorry and realized the kids upstairs were probably doing it. Wow! So be careful around your Crypt if you have one. Make sure they know your wishes.
Thanks for sharing your experience SH
Wow, really that's horrifying to think your crypt will do that but your crypt was must really care for you. This is a great example as to why we should tell our companions what they should do if such situations like this were to occur.
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Carvel wrote:I think it is totally UP to the demon... They would NEVER harm their companion for sure....but if someone cross their companion, maybe the "enemy" isn't a real threat, but I think it is really depends on their mood......For myself, I told EVERY of my companion some people are my friends and I love them, so if they hurt me somehow, DON'T kill them as I will feel sorry later. They understands it for sure.

However, some demon are actually LIKE to "play" with people they just simply don't like or being a fool. I m not speaking for all of the demon,
just my own personal experience, my Lowborn DC love to "play" with stupid people, if they fool did nothing to me, of course my DC won't do anything, but if they say something foolish to me or making me not happy, well, depends on the mood of my DC, sometimes, he will not do anything as it maybe not a big deal at all, but if they keep being annoying, then my DC will start to play with their mind, making them keep saying something stupid then everyone on facebook laugh at them or else, just make them being insulted publicly, but nothing more. (unless to real enemy).

For my Royal Commander, I can tell he has a hero spirit within him. He will simply punish people who did things wrong, he love to bring justice to those who keep doing harm to the others, no matter those people are harming me or I just spot out a bully, even they did nothing to me. Or sometimes, i watching news, and seeing there are some injustice happening, I will tell my DC and ask him to send some of his legion to see if they cant bring justice. Sometimes can, sometimes not, depends on situation, but all i can tell is, my Royal DC has really strong sense of justice. but he is not a real "bloody" type, but I can feel he believe in justice.

but NO, I think they won't just go after someone as they black mouth you or did nothing wrong to you, unless they really hurting you, they will surely punish them. but if they just being annoying, I think demon would not do anything, unless they felt annoyed as well. but I dont think there will be real harm.....

but I don't know all the demon...but I think it is really depends.......some demon might take all the chances to have some "fun", some might just simply laugh and ignore your request of revenge.......lol.
Thank you for your input Carvel,
I'm glad you brought up the fact that friends and loved ones can also hurt you but of course we don't want our companions to kill them or severely harm them. Perhaps they have a way to remove the person from you as Heidi mentioned, they might do that if they wish to protect you and not harm anyone. Little mind games may be alright if try were just doing it for fun and if the person was being foolish. Yet it can escalate into a bigger problem at times and the person can get severely damaged but if you feel it was right then by all means of course do what you feel is right. That's great that your Royal Commander brings justice to those who deserve, I to believe justice needs to be served at times. It's okay if they laugh in my face at my request if it's over something petty and I'm just overreacting I might get angry with them at first but I will eventually thank them for not doing anything.
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Vixen wrote:Each of the contributers/ions above offers a good dose of perspective in regards to a situation like this. When it comes to empowered demonics, especially those of the Outer Spiritual that Akelta offers, they can usually see into the situation with a mature enough viewpoint to know how to handle things. Whether this entails 'vengeance' of a traditional sense or some sort of reorienting on the part of the human and their emotions this is up to the demon in question, its nature, its bond with the human, and its take on the whole of the situation (ie; what might be necessary not only now but down the line in the future as well). The traditional view of humans commanding the demons around to do their bidding, no matter whether their wishes are morally right or wrong, is in part because of the influence of demonolatry of old where this was attained through very severe, brutish practices of temporarily enslaving the demon-- the dynamics of a companion relationship are entirely different from the ground up, thankfully so.
Thank you, Vixen for your input
I too believe the demon companions are mature and open enough to look at a situation from different angles. I am aware of the old teachings and how brutal they were to the enslaved demons :frowndevil: it's upsetting but I know spirit keeping is nothing like that at all and our companions have the right to do as they please. Instead of forcing them to do our bidding they are able to negotiate things with us if they prefer to do so.
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I realize our companions would not hurt us but let's not forget that they may have a different set of morals than we do. Let us not forget when you have ranked Companions they probably received their rankings by killing and doing things we as humans may consider immoral. This doesn't only apply to ranked Companions but how about dark mages, assassins,etc.... they practice their arts to use them. I myself do not put humans on a pedestal above Demons (or any other spirit/entity for that matter) and think it is okay to hurt or kill other entities but we as humans are too special to be attacked or retaliated against. Whether they will do it upon their human companion's request is up to the Demon. I do believe Demons are more evolved but is it wrong if they do not abide by our set of morals of what is right/ wrong or just/unjust when it comes to defending themselves or their companion or attacking upon being asked to do so???
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Mentalmettle wrote:I realize our companions would not hurt us but let's not forget that they may have a different set of morals than we do. Let us not forget when you have ranked Companions they probably received their rankings by killing and doing things we as humans may consider immoral. This doesn't only apply to ranked Companions but how about dark mages, assassins,etc.... they practice their arts to use them. I myself do not put humans on a pedestal above Demons (or any other spirit/entity for that matter) and think it is okay to hurt or kill other entities but we as humans are too special to be attacked or retaliated against. Whether they will do it upon their human companion's request is up to the Demon. I do believe Demons are more evolved but is it wrong if they do not abide by our set of morals of what is right/ wrong or just/unjust when it comes to defending themselves or their companion or attacking upon being asked to do so???
I don't know to be honest in our human minds we have morals that say killing is wrong (well to some) so I think we might for a second have to forget about our morals and open our minds up to what our demon companions beliefs and morals are. Like you said the high ranked demons could've done things that some of us humans would think was morally wrong... but we have no way of telling demons what is right and what is wrong we can just share our own morals and beliefs with them and see if we can come to an understanding.
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alikat13 wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:15 pm
I'm wondering will demons bring harm to someone who their keeper considers an enemy even if the person never did anything wrong. Last year online I saw someone verbally attacking another person and the attacker was obviously a narcissist who took extreme pride in his self so he said that he'll send his demon companion to hurt this person for doing nothing wrong other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. So will demon companions harm someone who doesn't necessarily deserve it out of their love for their keepers? I know they have a mind of their own obviously they can object but will they or will they look towards this person as a foe?
Demons do need strict house rules, mostly for the part that they can take revenge on their own if they think someone is being bad for you even if it`s a family member or a friend or if you burst out in anger fit and wish bad for a person that you did not fully mean to harm they would not care much about the afterthoughts hence it`s good to have that for main rules to not touch friends and family (just warn you if something is not right) and do not act upon any harm wishes during emotional breaks only when you are fully aware of what you ask and are speaking directly to the demon with thought out request. The binding restricts them from turning on you but as I said you have to be responsible with things you ask and respectful of them and not treat them as just tools to get things done (unless a demon specifically wants only business relationships). So basically what you need is respect and confidence.
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Shershah.chowdhury wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:33 pm
alikat13 wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:15 pm
I'm wondering will demons bring harm to someone who their keeper considers an enemy even if the person never did anything wrong. Last year online I saw someone verbally attacking another person and the attacker was obviously a narcissist who took extreme pride in his self so he said that he'll send his demon companion to hurt this person for doing nothing wrong other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. So will demon companions harm someone who doesn't necessarily deserve it out of their love for their keepers? I know they have a mind of their own obviously they can object but will they or will they look towards this person as a foe?
Demons do need strict house rules, mostly for the part that they can take revenge on their own if they think someone is being bad for you even if it`s a family member or a friend or if you burst out in anger fit and wish bad for a person that you did not fully mean to harm they would not care much about the afterthoughts hence it`s good to have that for main rules to not touch friends and family (just warn you if something is not right) and do not act upon any harm wishes during emotional breaks only when you are fully aware of what you ask and are speaking directly to the demon with thought out request. The binding restricts them from turning on you but as I said you have to be responsible with things you ask and respectful of them and not treat them as just tools to get things done (unless a demon specifically wants only business relationships). So basically what you need is respect and confidence.
I find this to be true for me. My most protective companion, i have witnessed her attack someone's mind. I dont know exactly what she did but she made it to where someone trying to break into apartments literally..couldnt see my door. They tried to break into several literally next to me and across from me(( it looks like a dorm set up but its apartments)) and my neighbors answered,rock that dude's world,called the cops..and he literally kept trying to get into the person's places one door left and one door right of mine..like back and forth. Cops came and the guy wasn't on drugs or anything and i could hear my companion laugh about it. Now i didnt ask her to do that,but i didnt ask her not to.

I trust her judgement but we are so similar in mindset i dont have really have house rules. The only rule i asked her to abide by was to not manifest in a spider head/humanoid outline because she LOVES to jump scare me. Which i dont mind at all,except for the spider one she did once LOL
Just imagine a desperate scream from far away;You can't hear what its saying but you know whats about to happen and its going to be really...painful

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Gauche wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:26 pm
Shershah.chowdhury wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:33 pm
alikat13 wrote:
Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:15 pm
I'm wondering will demons bring harm to someone who their keeper considers an enemy even if the person never did anything wrong. Last year online I saw someone verbally attacking another person and the attacker was obviously a narcissist who took extreme pride in his self so he said that he'll send his demon companion to hurt this person for doing nothing wrong other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. So will demon companions harm someone who doesn't necessarily deserve it out of their love for their keepers? I know they have a mind of their own obviously they can object but will they or will they look towards this person as a foe?
Demons do need strict house rules, mostly for the part that they can take revenge on their own if they think someone is being bad for you even if it`s a family member or a friend or if you burst out in anger fit and wish bad for a person that you did not fully mean to harm they would not care much about the afterthoughts hence it`s good to have that for main rules to not touch friends and family (just warn you if something is not right) and do not act upon any harm wishes during emotional breaks only when you are fully aware of what you ask and are speaking directly to the demon with thought out request. The binding restricts them from turning on you but as I said you have to be responsible with things you ask and respectful of them and not treat them as just tools to get things done (unless a demon specifically wants only business relationships). So basically what you need is respect and confidence.
I find this to be true for me. My most protective companion, i have witnessed her attack someone's mind. I dont know exactly what she did but she made it to where someone trying to break into apartments literally..couldnt see my door. They tried to break into several literally next to me and across from me(( it looks like a dorm set up but its apartments)) and my neighbors answered,rock that dude's world,called the cops..and he literally kept trying to get into the person's places one door left and one door right of mine..like back and forth. Cops came and the guy wasn't on drugs or anything and i could hear my companion laugh about it. Now i didnt ask her to do that,but i didnt ask her not to.

I trust her judgement but we are so similar in mindset i dont have really have house rules. The only rule i asked her to abide by was to not manifest in a spider head/humanoid outline because she LOVES to jump scare me. Which i dont mind at all,except for the spider one she did once LOL
What kind of jump scares does she do and what type of demon do you have and also does she manifest physically before your own eyes in outline shape.
My house rules would be not to interfere or show themself in any way to the people in my house
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