When I say 'you're being a little aggressive', I actually feel you were disproportionately aggressive in response to me, telling me to 'stay in my lane' as a way of attempting to shut down my voice entirely when I offered a clarification to you on my intentions with posting in this thread.
You mean the section where I addressed you saying one cannot consider themselves a christian by your standards? Which is exactly what you did for your first post. I told you exactly what it was that I was potentially misinterpreting and would await for clarification, all for you to continue to be dismissive with an extremely vague comment,
I'm talking in practical rather than fluffy terms.
None of which in that entire post addresses anything that I said of how you were coming off as. Do not confuse "practicality" with actually just being insanely disrespectful towards me and my entire post. So following your logic, because your views were coming off as completely dismissive which you were told that is how you were coming off....your justification for this is that you're not posting "fluff". So either you are implying my post is fluff, or you are implying my beliefs are "fluff"
How did I 'slap you in the face'??? Everything you are saying is still telling me you took this way more personally than any of it was intended. And I am surprised, because -it was not intended- the way you are taking it. I shouldn't be surprised though, because it is clear you'd respond this way to anyone you feel is 'out to get you' and has the kind of time on their hands to conspire against you. I barely even post on this forum, this was an INTERESTING subject to me and whether or not I was being agreeable this is the reason I posted. If it was boring to me, if I didn't like the subject itself regardless of how I felt about the content, I wouldn't have posted.
Everything I am saying is telling you that because I quite literally told you how you were coming off as, which I was not alone in this view. I even said actually,
This also feels very dismissal of my beliefs and practices to say that it is not possible to be able to respect and honor both sides. Again, this is where I am sure clarification would be valuable. As this all feels extremely uncomfortable in telling a person what their beliefs are and what is possible in their practices based off of unidentified rules. Clarity from you would be greatly appreciated because I am sure the way that this is being perceived is not your intentions as the way I am currently perceiving this all is quite literally the reason I felt compelled to share and connect with the multitude of people who resonated deeply with my post.
Everything that I have said until this point I have been very clear on. I have directly quoted you, responded and showed you how I am receiving each message and all you could do is say in response,
I'm talking in practical rather than fluffy terms.
Wait a minute,
No...my entire first post is NOT cutting you down, my entire first post spoke about what I felt was left out as far as the historical aspect of this topic. I don't care for it when a huge, very rich aspect of a subject is entirely missing. If I am guilty of coming across as a snob or being pretentious I will take that, but there was no way I was sitting there trying to obliterate your beliefs. I do not CARE what you believe in, it has nothing to do with me. I am neither supportive nor unsupportive. This is why I attempted to clarify I am talking in practical terms rather than fluff, I simply do not care at all in any way, shape or form what you do with your life. I care about the knowledge being presented, it is entirely impersonal to the point where you are entitled to think I am 'cold' but there's no reason to believe I have it in my mind to actively 'cut you down'.
The topic was about my beliefs and maneuvering through the world with those beliefs and relating to people. Absolutely nothing in my post talks about the background of either belief system. IN FACT, I quite literally say and I continue to quote,
Now, you can twist the story and have numerous kinds of discussions. There are more ways that one can decipher the bible and the experiences than there are bibles, and there are a lot of printed bibles. But I am not interested in that. What way you choose to break down the bible and it's stories are not my business. I am happy with my translation of it for how it serves me and my life.
So you took a subject that had absolutely no intention, no indication on it being an educational post (because the only history I talk about is my PERSONAL history), which others followed suit sharing their personal history. And from that, you say that you are not only disappointed in the lack of content, but in fact that content is wrong. Your words and actions are not matching up at all. You cannot say your intentions were one way when your actions and words that you post say something else entirely.
Even myself and this 'guy', who is Cult, let's not be immature by needlessly bringing people into this and not even bothering to name them at that, have fiery arguments and don't support everything one another says or how one another says it.
Ah yes, continuing with condescending dismissive behavior and if we go with this facade then it must be true.
It is not 'needless'. I bring him up because that is where the issue stems from. To those who are newer to the community it might be believable but to anyone that has been around, sees the patterns and have seen those patterns for quite some time.
While you are insinuating someone else's practices are 'questionable' you should keep in mind that your practices may seem questionable as well. Be aware that if you're going to criticize someone else's practices and beliefs that their criticism of yours is fair game, if your belief and practice are strong then someone having something to criticize you about shouldn't be bothering you so deeply.
So wait, were your intentions WERE to criticize me or not? again, your words and actions are not matching up with what you are saying your intention was and the defense and justification you used before to dismiss me is now something I must 'keep in mind'.
So either you DID come into my thread where I share a snippet of my story to relate to others to criticize me...or you were actually hoping to participate in the thread and share your story. Which is it? I find it awfully weird and extremely toxic if the only way you can share your views is by dismissing other's point of view.
Sure, it is convenient for you to call me a 'gaslighter' because now if I genuinely tell you I didn't mean something the way you took it, you can just say 'there she goes again, gaslighting!'
You are simplifying in presuming my posting was all about you and that by talking about the leanings of Christianity it had anything to do with what one considers themselves. What I was talking about is more complex. It was an objective observation on the distinctions which would make it possible or impossible for someone to straddle principles of both Christianity and Satanism, and an explanation of why this makes the resources I was talking about important for people trying to find what works for them.
It's convenient for me to say you are gaslighting me because that is quite literally what it is that you are doing. Including this section here LOL. Again, it's absolutely fascinating that it wasn't until I finally reacted after repeatedly saying that I would like clarity on specific things that I directly quoted from you and even gave you the benefit of the doubt and said you probably didn't intend it to be that way....and in your ENTIRE second post, not ONCE could you go "Hey I didn't mean that." "You are right that wasn't my intention" And somehow, after continuing disregarding what I say, I am supposed to take you saying you don't write fluff as a translation for that wasn't what you meant.
No, I didn't come just to cut you down. If I wanted to disparage someone I could do it in a few words.
If it was the inappropriate place to post as I did, if it was a sensitive topic for you, maybe should have been marked as sensitive.[
It has absolutely nothing to do with sensitivity. You came onto a thread which it's entire tone was speaking on a personal level not going deep into discussion of any one belief...you came onto that thread and not only came off extremely dismissive, but in the process of you sharing, it all coincidentally cut my views down. If you actually cared about participating in the discussion, you would have in your very next post speak on your actual intentions instead of more of the same from the first post. Which when I ask for clarity and you respond, I am naturally going to take the details of your response as the clarity you meant.
I now have to tell you over and over that I didn't mean it offensively because you exhaustively refuse to accept there is not some sort of hatred in me toward you.
Yes, you now have to tell me "over and over" something that you never actually addressed until after I finally reacted. It's not about "exhaustively" refusing to accept that there isn't a hatred towards me. It's the level of condescension that each of your post exudes towards me. So now it is my fault that I reacted to you finally. What kind of conclusion is an individual supposed to come to when they ask for clarity on certain things and are only met with more of what they took as condescension the first time? At what point is an individual allowed to have their feelings about what it said and not be met with extreme condescension and pitiful attempts at shaming an individual for having these feelings?
You're free to dislike what I've contributed or how I have stated what I have stated, but it seems more like you're attempting to smear me right now based on perceived repeat-offense, which can be explained by the fact we disagree with each other more often than not.
I'm not here to simply be agreeable with everyone in an endless circle-jerk, I care about having a real discussion and I contributed something substantial to your thread. You clearly have a personal problem with me and with anyone who might appreciate my perspective.
I've nothing more to say about this, it is pretty out of hand and far off the topic that I originally had the interest to discuss.
I am not attempting anything. I am again, taking direct quotes and telling you how it is translating to me. I gave numerous examples of what was bothering me and not one did you directly address until after I reacted finally.
Relating to one another is not an "endless circle-jerk". I am also confused here. If you truly are interested in having a discussion, why are you not reading other people's posts? If you were truly interested in having a discussion, why wouldn't you take the opportunity to address what I brought up and gave you the benefit of the doubt on, give clarity on those specific things and create an actual discussion piece? Because none of what you said in either post came off as a discussion piece. And if you actually cared about what you said being a discussion piece, why would you not make it a point to do what you are doing now and addressing my posts in individual sections?
You came into a thread of someone else's personal spiritual journey and tried to make it up for discussion. And when you take that person's spiritual journey as a discussion piece, you did it in an extremely condescending way and provided absolutely no clarity in that after being asked.
Just because you don't see anything wrong with your behavior, doesn't mean your behavior isn't wrong.
It has absolutely nothing to do with a personal problem and everything to do with your behavior in this thread and me finally having enough of it after a continuous pattern of this behavior.
Nothing in my thread had anything to do with being agreeable or not because there was nothing to agree or disagree on. It was all about relating to one another on something that often talked about but many struggle with. You refer to people relating to one another as circle-jerking, you say you "speak practical not fluff" and your own spiritual views are presented in such a way that any other view is not truly possible. And you wonder why I from the very beginning asked for immediately clarity? You wonder why it is so "easy" for me to refer to what you are doing as gaslighting?
No, it's better to just push the narrative that I am the one with the problem.
I am not interested in arguing about true intentions, as obviously no one but you will ever know your true intentions. I did absolutely nothing but directly quote you and use my understanding of the english language to comprehend the message your words are trying to express. You can be as dismissive as you want, but let's not pretend like my very first response to you had anything to do with it being personal when others felt the same. My first response did nothing but inform you how I was processing what you said, asked for clarity and gave you the benefit of the doubt.
I am locking my thread as it just feels extremely gross now.
I want to be very clear though I still respect your work, I still have nothing but positive things to say for the work that I paid you for. I even honored the work you did in a previous post because I admire the amount of work you put into your spiritual path and how it's evolved; at least from what an outside perspective can tell from. My problem is in your behavior.
