Satan and Suns

Noctifera wrote:Gods Phlan's new avatar is sexy as hell.

But you know what, although this post is definitely a great reminder for everyone, I don't have a great fear of exposure. Getting attacked doesn't only happen when you are a part of a paranormal or satanic community. These things are more unpredictable than we are capable of imagining, you can be targetted for no reason at all. Just like you can die at any moment. When you have endured that kind of reality enough times you begin to see from a very different perspective. Life's too short to be so concerned.

It is important to keep in mind, that besides being technically cautious this way your efforts take on a more enduring quality when you are energetically proactive.
When you emphasize the concern or fear behind a potential, you can, on some levels increase your weakness to it and that weakness is what (in my opinion) draws in issues or allows you to get hurt.
I have seen this enough in people who are scared of everything and generating false BA attacks on themselves, the consciousness-energy connection and imprint is a significant one where your psychology becomes intricately linked to the power of your will.

Not encouraging y'all to engage in a free-for-all of sharingness with the world especially if that's not what you want, but at the same time be cool about it.. there is no reason to ruminate over all the ways you could get screwed at any time. Have a level of confidence, you guys.. especially when enough of you are ass kicking demon empowered (sometimes cuddled ..and the cuddle is fierce) witches. Do not give your power away.

If you don't believe you have control over the situation, then you won't. Lesson one in my book :p
Lesson 0 partially -3.14 on a Wednesday is the insanity defense.

Once again, this is just my take on how to reinforce that sense of personal safety. Power, and Insanity. Hm. That sounded better in my head, which tells you something about my head..

I agree that it's important to be positive and not live in fear. Nobody should live in constant fear. We all must go about our lives. But that is not the intent of this post.

Being situationally aware and taking steps to protect oneself is smart. And we all do, and should, take those steps. For example: you write this post, but you also hide behind an alias and false picture. You don't talk about or post your personal details. You live in your online presence, which is guarded. That tells me that you too understand the value in taking precautions. By way of analogy, if you live in an area prone to natural disasters, like flooding, you take precautions by having stocks of supplies, such as food, batteries, flashlights, etc. That doesn't mean that you stock 30 years of MREs and build a nuclear fallout shelter. You're aware of your situation. You're not petrified by it. Believe me, in my life and line of work, I'm fully aware of how fragile life is. And I also understand we need to take some preventative steps to better ensure our security.

To assume that a picture isn't a powerful thing in the hands of someone who means you harm is shortsighted. This isn't a YOLO society. We should be smart about what we do. Everyone needs to be situationally aware, prepared, and resilient. But telling someone not to take reasonable steps to protect themselves, especially easy steps, is foolish. After all, you wouldn't tell someone to stop shielding, would you?

You may have been at this for a long time. You probably feel more secure than most other people because you're so much more advanced than nearly everyone here. We all didn't grow up in this community like you. We don't all have the skills that you do. Maybe you can afford to be less careful than anyone else. But most people should be reasonably cautious about how they associate themselves. It's a relatively easy way to better protect yourself.

Noctifera wrote:Gods Phlan's new avatar is sexy as hell.

But you know what, although this post is definitely a great reminder for everyone, I don't have a great fear of exposure. Getting attacked doesn't only happen when you are a part of a paranormal or satanic community. These things are more unpredictable than we are capable of imagining, you can be targetted for no reason at all. Just like you can die at any moment. When you have endured that kind of reality enough times you begin to see from a very different perspective. Life's too short to be so concerned.

It is important to keep in mind, that besides being technically cautious this way your efforts take on a more enduring quality when you are energetically proactive.
When you emphasize the concern or fear behind a potential, you can, on some levels increase your weakness to it and that weakness is what (in my opinion) draws in issues or allows you to get hurt.
I have seen this enough in people who are scared of everything and generating false BA attacks on themselves, the consciousness-energy connection and imprint is a significant one where your psychology becomes intricately linked to the power of your will.

Not encouraging y'all to engage in a free-for-all of sharingness with the world especially if that's not what you want, but at the same time be cool about it.. there is no reason to ruminate over all the ways you could get screwed at any time. Have a level of confidence, you guys.. especially when enough of you are ass kicking demon empowered (sometimes cuddled ..and the cuddle is fierce) witches. Do not give your power away.

If you don't believe you have control over the situation, then you won't. Lesson one in my book :p
Lesson 0 partially -3.14 on a Wednesday is the insanity defense.

Once again, this is just my take on how to reinforce that sense of personal safety. Power, and Insanity. Hm. That sounded better in my head, which tells you something about my head..

This is a nice different perspective of the issue

And yes, I saw Akelta's photo in some website, and I kinda remember Noctifera's photo somewhere if I'm not wrong (was it the one with tattoo of something on the shoulder? I can't remember clearly).

However, I would analogize it with the comic universe. There are those who are safe with their personal identity exposed to the public, such as Iron Man. But there are others who will be in danger, or risk their family's well being, such as Spider-Man. Both parties have different situations, so there's no one ultimate answer in that chaotic realm, and maybe similar with this realm we're living in.

Batman has a different reason to hide his identity, though.
"Because I'm Batman"

OG, I see your point. And that was the aim of my last paragraph. However, I just see this as a simple means of easy protection. I wouldn't drive without buckling up. And I definitely wouldn't let my kids not buckle up. I wouldn't send a soldier or police officer out without body armor. In short, simple easy things to protect yourself are done by us everyday. I don't see this being any different. But to each their own. After all, there are plenty of motorcycle riders who don't wear helmets either. Some just are more comfortable being potential organ donors than others. Either way, it makes no difference to me and I've said my peace. Thanks!

Bathosias wrote:OG, I see your point. And that was the aim of my last paragraph. However, I just see this as a simple means of easy protection. I wouldn't drive without buckling up. And I definitely wouldn't let my kids not buckle up. I wouldn't send a soldier or police officer out without body armor. In short, simple easy things to protect yourself are done by us everyday. I don't see this being any different. But to each their own. After all, there are plenty of motorcycle riders who don't wear helmets either. Some just are more comfortable being potential organ donors than others. Either way, it makes no difference to me and I've said my peace. Thanks!

Yes
And there are special units in the police and army who wear mask to hide their identities. So different situations, indeed.

Bathosias wrote:
I agree that it's important to be positive and not live in fear. Nobody should live in constant fear. We all must go about our lives. But that is not the intent of this post.

Never said I believed that to be the intent.
Although it is a lengthy post that could just as easily make people feel paranoid, given all of the potentials you go into, if I am honest with my thoughts. These elaborate warnings have a way of being double-edged.

Being situationally aware and taking steps to protect oneself is smart. And we all do, and should, take those steps.

Don't recall saying we shouldn't. I said it would be best not to do it from a stance of fear or paranoia - and that is an important reminder I did not feel was emphasized well in your post. So I chose to. My post wasn't a criticism of yours.

For example: you write this post, but you also hide behind an alias and false picture. You don't talk about or post your personal details. You live in your online presence, which is guarded.

That is a funny presumption.
I do not 'hide' behind an 'alias', and it's not a 'false' picture.
It's a picture of MY eye, which was chosen expressively, and a name which is meaningful to me as well as relevant to the focus of the community. These were aesthetically pleasing decisions. I didn't choose these things for the act of being anonymous, but because I liked them best. I am interested in the faceted persona and do not believe I have a single 'true' identity.

As far as personal details, 'personal' may be defined differently for everyone. I talk a lot about myself when I feel like it, it's really more to do with my mood.

If I posted a full picture of myself in my avatar, which I used to, everyone would just think I'm showing off the goods! This forum is not about showing off the goods, and I don't need my looks to define my worth. Lol.

So you see there are a plethora of reasons why someone may present themselves a certain way. I present what I feel is important.

That tells me that you too understand the value in taking precautions.

I do. And I detailed an important stance I take which is not to allow myself to be driven by fear. Which is a very real, hindering, and commonly overlooked problem creating holes in protective barriers left and right. I know because I see it, try to help people deal with it, they don't listen to me and continue to have the same problems. So I thought it was helpful to point out.
Once again, I never suggested not to be stealthy.. just not to exaggerate one's concern.

By way of analogy, if you live in an area prone to natural disasters, like flooding, you take precautions by having stocks of supplies, such as food, batteries, flashlights, etc.

This is an interesting one. I do live in an area prone to natural disasters. And we don't stock any of those supplies. I must have a death wish.

To assume that a picture isn't a powerful thing in the hands of someone who means you harm is shortsighted. This isn't a YOLO society. We should be smart about what we do. Everyone needs to be situationally aware, prepared, and resilient. But telling someone not to take reasonable steps to protect themselves, especially easy steps, is foolish. After all, you wouldn't tell someone to stop shielding, would you?

You may have been at this for a long time. You probably feel more secure than most other people because you're so much more advanced than nearly everyone here. We all didn't grow up in this community like you. We don't all have the skills that you do. Maybe you can afford to be less careful than anyone else. But most people should be reasonably cautious about how they associate themselves. It's a relatively easy way to better protect yourself.

I don't assume, I disagree that it's necessarily a powerful thing unless you decide it is - just like a crucifix holds no power over someone who isn't afraid of..crucifixes. Or who doesn't believe in God.
The intensity of emotion, belief, intent you allow to be held over a thing - from both ends - is what contributes to it's worth. Anyone who practices magick would have come to understand that one way or another. It works to increase and decrease power. That in itself is a defense tool and I was hoping to advise people of it without needing to go into tedious detail.
You do not have to be the target of anyone in the first place if you are energetically and consciously well protected.

If you are trying to imply that I told people not to protect themselves, I think you need to re-read my post. Sorry not sorry, I'm not fond of a situation where you can only have one perception and it's not a well-rounded one. That's what gets you into trouble. Multiple contributions on the topic of protection and understanding them all, is much more valuable.

I get that you're not a fan of my chaos-centric perceptions, philosophies, and experience; maybe not a fan of the way I choose to state things; however it is true to me and I offer what is true for me where it may resonate to, empower or enlighten others. It sounds a bit like you thought my post was making some dangerous implication.

No, I do not feel more secure based on how advanced I am. Though I thank you for the compliment. That is not what I mean to imply. I feel secure because I am an empowered individual with a realistic view of the world. We can all be this.
The issue is that so many people naturally disempower themselves, or exaggerate the power of others - the kind of self sabotage that goes undetected - therefore may easily become paranoid or panicky, playing the victim before they are the victim which makes them vulnerable. And when/if their 'precautions' fail, their life spins out of control. No matter how many precautions you take, it doesn't make you mentally, emotionally, and energetically prepared.

I'm not trying to further an argument, but to clarify my stance. I don't need to be lectured.

Noctifera wrote: Anyone who practices magick would have come to understand that one way or another. It works to increase and decrease power. That in itself is a defense tool and I was hoping to advise people of it without needing to go into tedious detail.

This is a funny presumption. That everyone here is a practitioner that would understand it right away without you going into tedious detail

Also is it wrong of me to have added a mental Mic drop at the end of your post?

I will say again, i feel these comments are valid. not scaremongering. I dont feel its encouraging people to live by fear. I think its a general safety rule of thumb, nothing more nothing less. If anyone has any mental stability whatsoever, they will read the "what could happen" and go "ah yeah ok i see the point ." *puts up cartoon avatar and continues on with life* Anyone who doesnt? Well thats on them. the OP is neither responsible for nor qualified to evaluate the mental stability of the audience this is intended for. There should not have to be an audience mental evaluation before the warning is issued to prevent people jumping off cliffs like lemmings. That is a personal responsibility issue.

The point about family, that really HAS been an issue for me. I was stalked relentlessly by my ex who, had he known this alias, would have strung me up for the divorce portion of things. Had my photo been attached to my profile, I would have had a problem...

The christian thing? that too is real. I actually have had death threats on the reg by them. But that is because I am open, for the most part, with what i do. I get them about 4-6 times a year. about every other month or so. and NOT because im out there shit stirring Im not. On facebook, they see groups im in or posts i make or groups i moderate and feel its OK to lecture me, threaten me- sometimes with violence. My issues would perhaps be worse if there were photos to identify me....

As for the being in another country... I cannot tell you how terrifying that is . I sent a sigil to a customer in a country that is primarily muslim and their customs caught the sigil. They wouldnt give it to him right away instead interviewed him intensely and the penalty for worshipping another god? Death. It scared the total crap out of me and i lost sleep over it thinking i would be directly responsible for a friend's demise because of stupid rules like that. Who knows how that would have turned out if his actual photo were linked to his discussions on the interwebs about demons....

I havent had the job issue yet, but i would also not ever admit to having a facebook as I am part of many Satanic related groups, but that is real as well they DO check that stuff. Most employers WILL discriminate. Of course, they wont SAY that... But you probably wont get the job...

And as far as pictures being tags go, you only need a couple of things, namely a picture, to make a hell of a banging effigy out of and do some serious damage. especially if the person is unaware this kind of thing can happen. And let's face it, a fair portion of this community (spirit keeping) are not actual practitioners. Many have no concept of simple grounding , shielding, cleansing techniques.

Sure, i dont think people need to go running around in a panic. the reality of anyone using your picture as a tag for you is small unless you have some hopped up little shit just starting out wanting to test their metal and looking for an easy target (which has happened) or you really pissed someone off (which lets face it, in this community is not hard to do) , or even in the case of a hot head loose cannon running amok who gets pissed off at people for silly things and thinks its OK to throw bad things at people (and we HAVE had this issue not so long ago. lest we forget...) point being...without trying to disempower the masses- I'm a firm believer in an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

I'm not sure if the continued reinforcement of the original topic is directed at all towards my response. However, I stand by what I have said and once again want to make it clear, I never had the intention of criticizing the original post and I do not deny it's purpose. I feel like this was misunderstood.
Varied, experienced perspectives allow one to have an edge over reality. Mine is valid and it can be helpful if you understand what I am saying.

Maybe this needs to be stated. I am as well someone who comes from a direct experience of being attacked, targetted, stalked, apparently in harm's way. Not simply as a result of whatever my involvement in this community, but the mundane world as well where very similar things can take place with arguably greater ease. I am not oblivious to danger. I have learned to thrive in it, because it's a dangerous world we live in. Which is why I think my words on the matter hold some value.

Aprophis wrote: This is a funny presumption. That everyone here is a practitioner that would understand it right away without you going into tedious detail

Also is it wrong of me to have added a mental Mic drop at the end of your post?

It's a serious presumption though you have misunderstood. I intended it as an example to be directed particularly *toward practitioners* in the context of my post - as they should know it best; it is a suggestion that I had already translated in my original response for the non-practitioner.

No precaution can do what personal power can ultimately, and fear is something which tampers with that.
Technical precautions like what Bathosias detailed are totally relevant, but remember not to let the idea of these potentials sabotage those precautions which they can subconsciously (and I went on to attempt to explain this).
That was entirely all I was saying, only with personality. I never implied anyone here was and is currently AFRAID. It is a reminder to be taken situationally.

I have seen intelligent, totally stable people in and out of this community exaggerate situations for themselves, as humans we are generally prone to, which aggravated the issue for them. Regardless of their pre-caution, they left that little opening for the source to feed on. It easily goes overlooked and this is why it's important to be conscious of.
Some might want to deny that this is the case, I just call it as I see it - a juxtaposition with what I have applied intuitively, and the comparative result. It's something I see, which everyone could always take better advantage of. A little advice, is all.

There is nothing intricate about this, no necessity to be tedious explaining. You invest energy. You can take energy away.

You're not wrong about the Mic drop. Lol. And now my posts will seem that much more incorrigible. Alas.

Noctifera wrote:It's a serious presumption though you have misunderstood. I intended it as an example to be directed particularly *toward practitioners* in the context of my post - as they should know it best; it is a suggestion that I had already translated in my original response for the non-practitioner.

No, I didn't, I just wanted to poke at the irony of it all, as I'm prone to do
Remember, I'm a terrible human being, I like to make fun of stuff and/or people and in the process maybe put a 'subtle' emphasis on certain things.

Everyone's got their opinions on the subject which s fine, being safe rocks,lol lets just not make a mountain out of nothing major,however with that being said I am very sorry Anatel you were mistreated that way truth is everyone should have the right to believe in what they want in this world and not be met with violence because of it.

We do live in a harsh world and the main focus of the thread is simply use common sense,and think for yourself.Are you comfortable posting pic's of yourself? well if you are great !!!!! ,if your not that's ok too ,you don't have too.

No danger in playing it safe,just don't lose sleep over it.

So what I have learned here is everyone here makes a valid point,no right or wrongs,just different methods of going about it.


Always thought knowledge is power,and having our very own choices to make is even better.