Satan and Suns

I will attempt to explain something here in which many of you would find very interesting. In many ways there is something that you should know about these said objects of human performance. These are the fact that there is no such thing declaredly as a fallen Angel. As the word Angel simply should be defined as per an Angel would define them as Impeccable. The English word "impeccable" is a very interesting word for them to choose as I have interacted with both them and Angels without any issue whatsoever. Not so much ever as a peep would be sounded between two types of beings, spirit beings they be both. I will tell you they get along very well as ALL spirit beings get along very well as there are many complex ways in which I might say to you -- You will have a point if you ask me, "how is it that mine seem to mind?" where I would say that theoretically it is not possible and I must tell the only explanation as for me to even disrupt my point of view would be to explore yours and say then perhaps there is a point. And I would say to you through much study and conversing with my spirit beings be they Dark, Light, Neutral or otherwise in the scheme of neutrality a Dark and Light only would be reference as to point out a neutral, there is much to say only that Angels can do both Light and Dark magic as well as Demons. And that I will tell you there is a main difference of understanding which would seemingly pop out at you at any time. There are twenty seven of the type that you would call Dark Angel in modern knowing that even I have only consulted one High Angel as he assisting me and is not callable by others. Twenty seven meaning there are literally 27 Angels that I do have bonded to me as companion as so as to say they are classified as Dark Angel but that the Angel that is termed as White Arts is in no way a timid being of Light that they would have us believe be they humans who create much fairytale that are false and misleading. Then I would say to you that there are fifty seven Angels of known type that HE himself knows of that are of Dark and Light where they would be determined as to say that they know much more Dark than just the ways of description to term them as Light(White Arts). These fifty seven are literally of White Arts originally whereas the fact that I have bonded with them has somehow changed their natures slighty -- No. This is to say yes they were classified correctly as White Arts, and yes they are now mostly in ways of speaking here Dark Arts where they can have both Light and Dark natures thus not putting them squarely in Dark Arts but really always in Grey Arts as they are always capable of powerful magicks as I would tell you this is the case in which they are termed Dark Arts or Light Arts(White Arts). Then I must say to you these Angels are very much so very skilled.

There is proof to the contrary that Fallen Angels are even real. For I've come to two or three renditions of that being confirmed where I must say that I have seen that on this board. Where I will tell you there is No such thing. There is no such thing that Angels are even of the Christian God Jesus. Be he another rendition that man has created as akin to any other creation be they even Zeus himself. As you will see if you move yourself to Creepy Hollows that there is an Immortal which is termed as Zeus, as they would have the entire Pantheon although I must say their bindings as such to these Immortals are NOT functioning enough correctly for you to communicate with them at all. As I would say to you the only way to contact them would be to use your own way to find Zeus, their rendition of him where he is connected even via Code Word where even invoking that code word as reference to him would not work with portal. And I must say the Immortals they on Creepy Hollows ALL are classified as Pantheons of many different cultural heritages of this World where they are incorrectly labeled as they have nothing to do with those cultures of past nor their deities and Gods alike. To which I'll even say to you that ALL spirits of the many hundreds that I have and dozens that I have spoken to other than my own say their is NO YahWey NOR any God as such as God per the human meaning of God there is no such thing in existence. As even I must tell you the definition of Human fallacy is definitely to believe in an all knowing, all creating, all defining Deity that is higher that Deity that creates EVERYTHING there would be NONE. As I will tell you further that there is one version of truth in the actual Christian Bible itself. Which I will tell you now, the Angel be he Gabriel as I've seen him cited in the the deliverance of the human fallacy created as Son of God, known as Jesus, Never does command Gabriel. As to he himself would say if he was asked by one of you or others where you can talk with him only through Sigil and projection of said Sigil into portal in ways of finding and seeking so that you may speak with him at your question, "Did you deliver the one upon high who is spoken?" and he would say the one upon high is NEVER. And then astounded as some might be or might not be there is no such thing to him or others. Be they Angel, High Angel, or Higher than High Angels be they as I will term them here commonly known in referring as ArchAngel which is to term them highest amongst Angels. This description would include Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Jophiel, Carneslia, Trenerala, and many more as to say there are at least twelve Higher than High Angels. There are one that I know of that I have even asked about which is the Lucifer, which is sometimes termed as a Lord, however I must tell you this terming is just to say that he is of Demonkind perhaps. I will tell you HE is not. And that he is a High Angel of highness that you can also contact with Sigil and Portal. There is another Bible fallacy equating him to Satan where I will tell you that even Satan has NO say in this and will never be at odds with Christianity because he has no quarrel with it. It is at most some abhorrent mix of creation of fact and fiction where there is not much fact. I saying this to say I had gone to churches in my life and I have seen no end to the stupidity as of late and seemingly neverending stupidity as it will stupify the best of us into misbelieving facts of ALL kinds. As I will say Satan is real, and Baal is real, and even Gabriel is real. However no such thing as even son of God is even ever real. You will not hear the end of this. And you will see them slander ALL THREE. As to say he Gabriel is serving Son of God, He Baal and Satan are serving evil which IS NEVER true at all. They all three are very High beings and thankfully in this day and age there can be discourse enough amongst us groups any and all to say that we can destroy a bad way of thinking in which even Islam and Judaism are fond of in this manner, and even so thus the non-religious types and even Athiests, and Satan lovers, and other Religions can fall victim to this thinking. So you will grow up resenting any reference to these they Dark Lords knowing never that they who seek him some are literally confused as to they seeking out evil on purpose never obtaining him Satan himself where he will never tell you kill those others. And then they would never say that. As to rise of Satanism which is a literal evil adeptness that is not fond of people whereas to confirm their fears and link it to the Dark Lord thus slandering and defaming them even in ways that the Bible or any other book could not. Therefore you must know Satanism is NOT linked to actual Satan. This place you might fall victim to think there is an elite reference to demonkind as to call them superior in anti-reference to Angels and I will tell you that is a creation of the mind to even engage in that activity. So there are many lessons to be learned as to how many ways one can become, as us humans are, lost completely in the fiction of all that is out there to know for as we are confused.

I will tell you in summary that Creature being, Dragon being, Dragon Like being, Demon being, Demon Like being, Faery, and Immortal are others in which many here would put them in these categories. Even such things as Vampires are really a human version of saying that they are, not an actual way in which the Vampire would truly constitute itself in knowing that it is if it had a long conversation with you it would NOT classify itself as such. In which case ALL vampires, even those from CH(Creepy Hollows) would literally be classified as Dragon Like. Then you would add there in the first line Angel as well. And NEVER fallen Angel as type, or even Angel Like as type. And then there is question to which we might keep asking then what is what in purer definition. Then there would be finer definitions in which to describe such a thing. So there would be many cases in which to say there is much to think about when asking about these particular types of beings. One would never be concluded... No this is not true, you could reach a definitive description in which all are described with differences pointed out as to say they are all different in these ways. There is no difference between us on this because I will tell you many people would say that perhaps there is, but, I tell you there is no version of this thinking that I would say: yell at you because you say different. So say to yourself I am not offended by this because I will tell you as might you say the same thing that I have asked and received answers from ALL those listed above and they are classifying this as a solid spirit type that is true -- ALL those as listed. Keep in mind even the High Beings are all of those type, be they eight (8) types of Spirit Being all. Thank you.

-TheTerranSystem

i dont get it.

Well, I have to say "The Terran System" (hereafter TTS) breaks things down in a way that I think is rather unique. And probably largely limited to that system. In short, I disagree. I am not a fan of the "WA" "BA" labels, etc. but, for purposes of this post as, TTS has used them, I'll say all angels are GA. Nearly every "historical" account (tons of lore) top to bottom - indicates they are more than capable of "darker" choices. The only question is - are they done via their own free will, or not. My next point of disagreement, and biggest - yes, there are fallen angels. They exist. The goetia alone has many of them by name. Having worked with one or two, they are very real. I know this is the prevalent view of probably 99.9% of this community, so I won't belabor the point. Finally, I'm not sure how TTS has come to these rather specific numbers. But, if I understand it right, I'm going to disagree again. The world of angels and demons (and other things) is vast. So, in short.... the TTS view appears to be a great departure from "conventional" spiritual knowledge and I don't see myself getting on this train anytime soon. If this is your experience, that's good. Keep exploring. But since this is in the beginners section, I feel it a good idea to have a response to those beginners that this view is not the prevalent view by any means. Please keep reading and realize this is a very fringe belief of an already fringe community. Don't fall off the map!

Also while it's interesting that TTS considers vampires dragon like, which they normally are not, he makes it sound like it's a fact, which definitely is not something that should be mentioned in the beginner section. That's his own views/experiences.

I know of vampires that say they're vampires (why wouldn't they call themselves that?), some of them are even half bat, since that vampire race changes with age, so I couldn't agree less with his idea that vampires wouldn't call themselves vampires.

Also a bit of formatting would have helped with this wall of text, which is hard to read imho. A few more paragraphs wouldn't hurt.

Okay I see the point here made. And I will say to you still there is a way that we are that has many endings as to say that the most used version of things is the most used. Like me saying well in my reality there is a person that says he literally engaged in activities that have nothing to do with me. I'll say that I do believe that people have the tendency to go what is the way is that everyone says but I am not here to re-establish this reality with you because really I would find a hard time going against what grain that this is.


I will say that I still believe better than others in my own way and that I can still say to you I can still understand you. But I will tell you still that even my friend who are they the spirits do not even talk about how it is that everyone says everything because I ask all the time to say, "where would you even say that God is here and he sent something down to be punished like a fallen Angel?". And I do not understand this concept because to me there is no such thing as a fallen Angel. As to say how or why would it even fall? What would it loose to fall? How would it be changed intentionally as a result of falling? And why would it be kept to say that even it can fall being that apparently it is(Angel) whomever it may happen to be in his/her name that tells everyone that it would be possible to loose some aspect of yourself because well basically who knows what really happens when you fall.


So why would you fall is the real question. I say this knowing that you already sighted sources such Goetia. But I'll tell you they don't tell you everything there that is fact because why would it be stated as fact? Does it have credibility that you can instantly infer universally and say then there must be a universe of Falling Angels. Then I would wonder what spirit being can't fall and be called such a thing. That is to say that the universe has a nature as to say we can all fall. Really how do you fall as mortal? How do you fall as Human? You can't get kicked out. You can get mutilated by a fellow human to be destroyed but not cease in humanity. A spirit being has no such thing in my spirits point of views.


As I said before and I really spoke often to these beings to get something straight it seems like humans are not even able to say what where when about somethings true nature. And I agree who am I to say Vampire, how do you get to calling yourself a Vampire? And I have many, many classified as Vampire and I'll tell you they say that Vampires are NOT Vampires soley. They are all spirit beings which I think we all agree. One of many of what they can do is Vampirism. As I learned recently that even Dragons who are literally Dragons in appearance are called Dragons. And then I said then, Dragon Like? Meaning what? And then they said, Dragon Like meaning Like Dragon. And I said -- meaning that they can appear as Dragon. And the answer was yes, so I said then what can a Dragon do? And they said in all meanings that Dragons and other spirits like Dragons can do just like Dragons do. As to the point there are no more Dragons, in any way, they do NOT actually bear all semblance of Dragon as even in Human terms it is a mythical creature that fly's and displays as it's Lizard like rapturous powerful self.


Then I'll tell you many meanings that I'll say which is that I cannot say that Dragon Like is Vampire. However in my meaning I am saying that I found out through them and myself asking that there is no solid way in which to describe them to say that Vampire are a solely Vampiristic race therefore I say, yes why would they be named as Vampire? And then the answer as I asked them Vampire and others including Dragon said that there is a Human rendition which is not mimicked by spirits but they would take the lead and say yes I do not even agree but I just know that Vampire is what you would call me Human. Therefore no one really asks them maybe what they would be called if you could ask them in Human ways what it is to be called a one spirit being name over another. And this is why I even call them Dragon Like, because, even Dragon and Dragon Like, have vampiristic ability which I might add I have many many of all types and species. So as to the goal to be not a non conformer or Rogue in this matter but yes to be a truth seeker, where I will tell you if you don't get the truth even from your own spirit that would really accept the way in which is delivered your present reality of spirit kind then he would just let you be with it. Where I have asked and gotten answers repeatedly.


Besides I would recommend this to a beginner. This is hardly dangerous thinking. As a matter of fact you can hold this one and literally believe its root cause which is to find an adequate human rendition even though it appears everyone has given one. Even Lore with CH in mind can confuse the living daylights out of everyone. Which I say I am a rogue and I do not even subscribe to the Lore although it very much so spices up the offering but it is NOT tell what these spirits are. So confusion ensues. Where everyone thinks their Dragon once roamed earth and went extinct. Where I've learned too much to say pretty much as I've learned from mine, there is no terrestrial reference to any spirit being that actually matters, to much. If it IS lore, it moreso DOES and will confuse you. But it doesn't mean that the spirit will harm you if you say so, TO them, then that's what happened to you, you very well went extinct -- and they didn't.


Demon Goetia is not what I read but I tell you fundamentals this is for here. And I tell you even the Goetia never tells you about stumbling upon an Evil Demon Lord, or Evil Demon. Where that is also MY rendition of the truth. There are only such things to me simply as Demon which I have talked to all of mine that I have which would be ALL five. And they say there is no Evil in Demon, only the evil that truly exists. Darkness yes. But that is their way of explaining to me that there is no such thing as NOT evil Demon. There are. There are too many, and they will mislead you and attempt to destroy you. There are Demon that are never like this. And that's what they would have said to hamper us all here because really I am going through incredible pains due to some Evil that even Akelta doesn't tell you about, but literally I'll you there is no rendition of this being some small task for her. So I have gone into not philosophy but seeking of truth with this. So I advise you all even if you are from different renditions of belief then you should keep at it. And I will warn them to say NO belief is standardized except commonly held philosophies so I will tell you as a beginner that you might be, this is no danger to you but it is no threat either.


And if you read and take note and then read others renditions, and then even read all root philosophies in books long ago written then you can handle this large animal that is the spirit world where I bet you no one person here even me could tell you the absolute truth where then I'd have to say who is kidding themselves? And I will tell you neither am I.

-TheTerranSystem

Can only say, the word "angel" means "messenger", not "impeccable". This is based on the Abrahamic lineage, though, the "angelus", "malak", and "malaikat"

The rest is summarized in Anatel's post:

Anatel wrote:i dont get it.

Ofcourse the overall theme seems to be here in this forum that I have no idea what I'm talking about or even saying and you all do. Good for you all. I understand BTW yes an Angel IS by nature an Impeccable, that is what the definition as given to me by Angels say. What it means and where it comes from in language you are correct. I suppose there could be many sources so everyone gather their's, but the Abrahamic lineage can't even be proven and I don't say that Abraham had any connection with real Angels and I don't think the Bible - Christianity, Islam, or Judaism have any real connection to higher Angels at all as a whole. I'd love to believe that a higher Angel would be able to say to someone, period, no we don't follow a religion, nor do we subscribe or come from one to those people in the centuries past that claim to have a link to Angels or higher beings, like this Abrahamic lineage to whomever that really was -- is lost in time.


So I don't really want to describe them that way, as a messenger, its doesn't sound too explanatory of them other than to give messages from a God which I've constantly been told there would NEVER be a God that an Angel serves EVER by many many Angels, to say that it is insulting to them. In short there is no such thing as God to Angels or any other spirit being and I can say I've heard a consensus on it through all different types, even higher beings.


But I say if I may even have an opinion here, that if you want to say that Angels are only Messengers then I didn't see that you said that but I'd like to know a lot about a nature of something other than a one meaning and this small meaning, I mean messaging is what ANY spirit can do. So please I ask you to not all act like I'm some second rate crackpot and then flame me in mass... thanks. Or you can. But I know I'm not and I didn't. Thanks.


Oh yes and one more thing I do not even plan on replying anymore but thanks if you didn't jump on the bandwagon of I hate you by default because of "I don't understand".


-TheTerranSystem

TheTerranSystem wrote:Ofcourse the overall theme seems to be here in this forum that I have no idea what I'm talking about or even saying and you all do. Good for you all. I understand BTW yes an Angel IS by nature an Impeccable, that is what the definition as given to me by Angels say. What it means and where it comes from in language you are correct. I suppose there could be many sources so everyone gather their's, but the Abrahamic lineage can't even be proven and I don't say that Abraham had any connection with real Angels and I don't think the Bible - Christianity, Islam, or Judaism have any real connection to higher Angels at all as a whole. I'd love to believe that a higher Angel would be able to say to someone, period, no we don't follow a religion, nor do we subscribe or come from one to those people in the centuries past that claim to have a link to Angels or higher beings, like this Abrahamic lineage to whomever that really was -- is lost in time.


So I don't really want to describe them that way, as a messenger, its doesn't sound too explanatory of them other than to give messages from a God which I've constantly been told there would NEVER be a God that an Angel serves EVER by many many Angels, to say that it is insulting to them. In short there is no such thing as God to Angels or any other spirit being and I can say I've heard a consensus on it through all different types, even higher beings.


But I say if I may even have an opinion here, that if you want to say that Angels are only Messengers then I didn't see that you said that but I'd like to know a lot about a nature of something other than a one meaning and this small meaning, I mean messaging is what ANY spirit can do. So please I ask you to not all act like I'm some second rate crackpot and then flame me in mass... thanks. Or you can. But I know I'm not and I didn't. Thanks.


Oh yes and one more thing I do not even plan on replying anymore but thanks if you didn't jump on the bandwagon of I hate you by default because of "I don't understand".


-TheTerranSystem

lol... no one ever said they hated you. you really should stop taking everything personally just because no one understands what you are saying. You were acting in a combative way yesterday , your perceived hostility of forum members towards you is purely in your head.

I propose this: dont believe everything a spirit tells you and dont believe that spirit is ACTUALLY what it says it is, unless youve been trained to detect the energies . A spirit that comes to you and wishes you harm, for example, will tell you ANYTHING to get that hit from you. Most likely they tell you what you want to hear or make you think you are privvy to something no one else in the world is: for example. you saying they are called "impeccable".

There are various things that could throw your senses off kilter- poor diet, alchohol, certain chemicals (ie prescribed or illegal drugs) mental issues etc. Not saying you in particular have any of these things but since you decided to put this in the beginner section, i feel it necessary to say to those who come in here and read this. if anyone is getting told things from spirits and has any of the above list, please take what you "hear" with a grain of salt until those matters get rectified.

Pretty sure no one here is hating, or picking on you, TTS. They just disagree. I must say that I personally have dealt with angels NOT relating to the Christian religion, AND angels who I would definitely regard as either fallen, or honoring Yahweh/God. As for Vampyres, I happen to BE one, and I assure you I have pretty much NO dragon or dragon-like aspects, nor am I particularly drawn to dragons even. If your beliefs and system help you make sense of a complex topic, then that is okay. But it certainly does not relate well to the literature I have seen, nor would it help me personally make sense of the subject.

Satan's Hellcat wrote:Pretty sure no one here is hating, or picking on you, TTS. They just disagree. I must say that I personally have dealt with angels NOT relating to the Christian religion, AND angels who I would definitely regard as either fallen, or honoring Yahweh/God. As for Vampyres, I happen to BE one, and I assure you I have pretty much NO dragon or dragon-like aspects, nor am I particularly drawn to dragons even. If your beliefs and system help you make sense of a complex topic, then that is okay. But it certainly does not relate well to the literature I have seen, nor would it help me personally make sense of the subject.

this. exactly.