Beginner Questions on the LHP

[Anatel]

[quote]. I have trouble in believing the same thing but have put it down to the fact that the Bible, the Torah as well as the Koran are all written by man and as such is fallible despite containing a lot of knowledge. Again it brings me to the question of whether or not God is both good and bad, light and dark, male and female and it is down to mans primitive brain not being able to handle such a concept thus creating all the different embodiments of Him under various names.[ /quote]

I will respond to your other post soon but I just wanted to comment...
I don't believe "god" is the embodiment of all. I don't think he and lucifer are oppsite sides of the dice. I believe that they are totally different beings and i believe there are many Gods(esses)

If you look at the commandments "thou shalt have no other God before me"
Even God doesn't deny other.deities'existence. He just wants to be alpha. This is just my belief and others may vary.

[Zelda]

I think some of this has to do with a person's definition of "God". I have a more gnostic belief about Yahweh. The Gnostic Christians see him as the demiurge - the imposter/usurper who created nothing, and who overthrew the goddess Sophia for control of our little universe. He was selfish, jealous, grasping - as described in the Old Testament.

I do know of a couple of heavy meditators, the surfing the stream Taoist guys, who ran into Yahweh in the astral realm. They both said it was a cold and empty being, and considered it little more than a powerful astral parasite.

I do believe in a source of creative energy that we all come from, Source/Divine Creator/Universe - whatever you want to call it, but I do not believe it has any resemblance to the gods written of in monotheistic texts.

If we all were created by the same divine source, then there isn't the conflict between Satan, Yahweh, Allah, Lucifer, Jesus, angels, demons, et al. They are all different facets of the same creative energy, as are we.

Just my personal views.

[Nightraven14]

I believe in a creating force that encompasses everything. This Source is pure energy and holds the universe together. This Source could not be understood by early man and, therefore, they had to create various images and myths to explain the universe and how it worked. These Gods/Goddesses were giving personalities and stories so men could relate to them. They represented energy and as people gave them more energy through sacrifice/prayer/rituals..their energy became stronger and they became thoughtforms.

Once the worshipers of this "God" began to wane, so did the God's energy and some faded away. Each culture that came along had their Gods which represented the same energy, but were given different names. The Roman Gods are basically the Greek Gods renamed and given a different type of energy.

Ford stated that all Gods come from within yourself and you are meant to become a God.

[Search4DLight]

I think some of this has to do with a person's definition of "God". I have a more gnostic belief about Yahweh. The Gnostic Christians see him as the demiurge - the imposter/usurper who created nothing, and who overthrew the goddess Sophia for control of our little universe. He was selfish, jealous, grasping - as described in the Old Testament.

I do know of a couple of heavy meditators, the surfing the stream Taoist guys, who ran into Yahweh in the astral realm. They both said it was a cold and empty being, and considered it little more than a powerful astral parasite.

I do believe in a source of creative energy that we all come from, Source/Divine Creator/Universe - whatever you want to call it, but I do not believe it has any resemblance to the gods written of in monotheistic texts.

If we all were created by the same divine source, then there isn't the conflict between Satan, Yahweh, Allah, Lucifer, Jesus, angels, demons, et al. They are all different facets of the same creative energy, as are we.

Just my personal views.

Although i cannot deny that you may be right I have trouble in accepting this due to the fact that as I far I know and read from peoples posts Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and all the other "non fallen" Angels are loyal to Yahweh. If he was indeed an imposter why then would they (extremely powerful beings in their own right) be totally loyal to Him and His servant. Surely if he was not the Creator God then Michael and company would not follow Him as they do. I do not have any evidence myself that they follow Him but several people have mentioned that as soon as they turned away form God the Angels as well as ascended masters turned away from them... (I think even Zarathustra mentioned a similar thing regarding Saint Anthony).

I have also been told by my father (from the spirit world) that God is real. I have only been a medium for a while and have to be in a circle to get enough energy to actually see and hear spirit but the message I got was very clear and there were other mediums who also saw my father next to me in the circle so I definitely did not imagine it. One day I hope to improve my skills and converse with non human spirits so that I can ask non human entities some questions. (I must be really annoying with my constant barrage of questions!). Until then I cannot even be sure that the many spirited vessels I have are haunted with the exception of a very dark Were Vamp who is definitely here. Maybe I'm just better with sensing darker energy but maybe, just maybe, I was fooled by charlatan sellers.

Would love to hear about what Demons and other deities (especially Egyptian ones) have to say on the subject to get a counter argument. Has anyone asked Lucifer himself about things and what actually happened during the so called Fall? It would be fascinating to hear his opinion on things as a first hand witness.

[Search4DLight]

Although i cannot deny that you may be right I have trouble in accepting this due to the fact that as I far I know and read from peoples posts Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and all the other "non fallen" Angels are loyal to Yahweh. If he was indeed an imposter why then would they (extremely powerful beings in their own right) be totally loyal to Him and His servant. Surely if he was not the Creator God then Michael and company would not follow Him as they do. I do not have any evidence myself that they follow Him but several people have mentioned that as soon as they turned away form God the Angels as well as ascended masters turned away from them... (I think even Zarathustra mentioned a similar thing regarding Saint Anthony).

I personally find this train of thought offensive. I and others have been attacked by the RHP angels you hold in such high esteem for siding with Yahweh, who many of us believe is a fraud. As well, I do not find archangels to be so powerful and certainly not infallible. It is funny when people pray to them and pray to them and they do not come, when you liberate yourself and embrace your own power, you can rise up to magickal powers to the point where you can do far more for yourself than any RHP angel ever would or could.

The power is within, that is the point, and that is what Yahweh and his RHP religions and its defenders are trying to hide from you, making you dependent on them.

If I have offended you then I am really sorry. It was never my intention and I respect everything that you do and say. I acknowledge that I am ignorant and that I am wrong on so many things due to my background and rigidness in thought. I am here to learn and am grateful for the tool you have provided with this forum.

I will take more care in how I word things, please delete the quote as I do not want to offend anybody else, it really was just a trail of thought based on years of blindness. Also I have a habit of over thinking thinks with arguments and counter arguments. Yes I do believe that AA's are very powerful as are Demons but I am weak and easily impressed by something that can do what they can do. As you say I have never spoken to them but I also would not pray to them.

Once again please accept my most sincere apologies if I came across wrong. I guess if I did not believe that the power was indeed within then I would not be on a quest for personal development. It just takes time for me to change my way of thinking while I assimilate everything I am only now finding out.

[Akelta]

I just want to add, some answers are revealed only to those who commit themselves to the path and walk with Satan.. There are some things that need to be earned throuhg devotion, experience and exploration along the LHP. There are some thing about myself that I would only share with my most trusted friends, things I would not want just anyone knowing. The same goes with these Demons, they have feelings and they have things that they keep that they only reveal to those who have shown themselves to be loyal.

We do a lot of work and put in a lot of love and time working on this path to bring this knowledge that we share... Some of it is quite advanced and requires walking the path yourself to completely understand. Some answers cannot be attain through words and reading, but must be found through direct expereice. You need to walk the path to fully understand some things. It is like trying to describe colours to a blind man, for someone who has not seen it is quite challenging to describe. Same goes here, some secrets are only revealed when you walk the path.

[Zelda]

Search4DLight ~ I have a great deal of compassion for you and where you are on your path right now. I began my similar journey around 15 years ago. It took 10 of those years to break free of my Christian programming, and not without a lot of guilt, fear and anguish. But in the end, I had to follow my own path and search for self-knowledge. To thine own self be true.

You should know that if you continue on this path, you will one day wake up to a big, steaming bowl of cognitive dissonance when you realize that you've been lied to about everything. That's not a pleasant day. What you do at that point will determine which path you follow - take the blue pill of blind obedience and go back into the matrix, or take the red pill of self-awakening and embark on a journey of self discovery. I've been there. You have my sympathy, you truly do.

Now to the other point - You seem to view things in a very black and white, right vs wrong viewpoint, instead of shades of grey. Each person discovers their own truth, based on the path they walk and where they are on that path. I think it would help you to research different viewpoints, Gnostic Christianity and Astrotheology would be good places to start, if you're interested. At least to open your mind to different perspectives on your Biblical teachings.

For example, Lucifer was not a fallen angel. He was an ancient Roman god associated with the planet Venus, and later the consort to the goddess Venus. The only reference using the title of Lucifer in the Bible referred to Nebuchadnezzar, a Babylonian king who got uppity and got the smackdown. Christian preachers have mixed this up for hundreds of years, but in reality, Lucifer was a god in his own right.

Adelphia and Akelta are goldmines of information and experience. I've only been on this forum for a week or so, but they've already helped me sort through some confusion and clarified my thinking on a couple of things.

There is an awful lot I don't know - the more I learn the less I know. But that's part of walking the LHP. Self-discovery and knowledge never end.

[Anatel]

I agree with everything Zelda said....

Especially this

. You should know that if you continue on this path, you will one day wake up to a big, steaming bowl of cognitive dissonance when you realize that you've been lied to about everything. That's not a pleasant day. What you do at that point will determine which path you follow - take the blue pill of blind obedience and go back into the matrix, or take the red pill of self-awakening and embark on a journey of self discovery. I've been there. You have my sympathy, you truly do.

I cannot tell you how many years I've felt that bitterness at being force fed lies , prevented from finding truth , and being made to live in fear and guilt.
Where you are right now? Not easy. And like Zelda said, you'll come to a point you'll have to make a choice. And its not easy...because even if you decide to backtrack and accept you're current programming, you won't go completely back.
Here's what I urge you to do. Try to scrap everything you know. Imagine youd been brought up knowing nothing about anything even slightly resembling religion. Get rid of all preconceived notions, that little voice in your head ...and approach your learning as if you're a blank slate. You can feel truth better that way. Some stuff will ring true, some won't. Just go with what's true for you.
You're not alone. Nor are you ignorant. That , my friend, is true RHP programming at its finest. Just don't glorify angels and Yahweh on a site where many of us have had traumatic experiences with them....it raises haunches lol

[BravoOmega8]

Nice posts. It urges me to read more to understand more.

[NativeTitan]

I think this would answer your questions about the so called different personalities of Lucifer

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