Why Satanism?: The Devil and Hell

[User1265455]

Are you worried that demons want your soul? Are you afraid that if you choose this path, you're going to burn in hell for all eternity?

THIS POST IS FOR YOU.



Did you know that there's no mention of hell in the bible? Like, at ALL? There's also no mention of the Fall.

Do you know where these ideas came from? Milton's Paradise Lost, and Dante's Divine Comedy. Both fiction. (Side note, Dante's Divine Comedy is hilarious because it's basically the longest poetic roast in history. Literally: "So me and my pal Virgil went to hell, and everyone I hate is there." It's also worth noting that Virgil basically spends most of his time yelling at everyone like a cranky old fart who doesn't want kids on his lawn. ) Anyway... I seriously recommend reading them both. Yes, the language is archaic. Push through. Kindle versions have access to a dictionary. Milton is just a beautiful writer, and if you know the context, Dante's writing will have you rolling.

There was also no devil in Christianity, to begin with - that was added in later by the church because people weren't converting and they decided to do three things - take pagan holidays and turn them into Christian ones, take their pagan gods and demonize them, and terrify people into believing that if they didn't come to church, they'd suffer in their afterlife.

There wasn't even a BELIEF in heaven or hell, to begin with... hell is a concatenation of a bunch of different mythological underworlds/lands of the dead from multiple cultures, and heaven comes directly from Greek mythology. The hebrew belief where Christianity started was that when you died, you stayed in your body. Sheol is literally "hole in the ground." And on the "last day" all those dead would rise from their graves at the will of God... but, and here's the kicker... ONLY JEWISH PEOPLE WOULD RISE.

So if you're Christain, sorry mate. You're fucked.


Now let's move onto the perception of demons.

First off: Up until about the 1300's, angels and demons were the same things. They were an angel if they were on your side... and if they were on your opponent's side, they were a demon.

Secondly, Rev: 21: 27But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who practices an abomination or a lie, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Now if you look at the book of Job... you see Satan (technically Ha-Satan) standing before God telling Him, "Look, dude, Job has everything. Of COURSE he loves you. Betcha if you take it all away, he'll curse you. He ain't perfect."

To which God says, "Go test him, I'll take that bet." (Not the best light we've seen Him in, but honestly, there's a LOT of bad lights about Dude in the bible. Like, seriously. He burned down cities and drowned children because he didn't like them learning from angels or trying to fuck them.)

Anyway... So Ha-Satan (which actually translates as The Accuser - mind you not God's adversary, but MAN'S adversary - so apparently that far back, God was a dick holding a Kangaroo Court) heads off to fuck Job's life over. Like, seriously. Killed his wife, killed his kids, killed his livestock, killed his crops... gave Job some weird skin disease... And through it all, Job sat there saying, "This is fine..."

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Anyway... all Job's friends were like, "Dude, your god is an ASS," and Job insisted that just because God was an ass, that didn't mean that he should stop believing. (Don't stop.... believing...)

And so Ha Satan went back to God, gave him his five bucks, and God gave Job a new wife and new kids. (One wonders how Job felt about the familial replacement but that's not covered in the story.)

SO. According to the bible, Satan works for god. Specifically, Satan is an ANGEL who works for god.

The reason that Satan is considered the bad guy is because Whitepeepo didn't want to admit that they suck... so instead of saying, "I failed god's stupid pop quizzes," they decided to say that the devil made them do shit, and so their behavior was totally Ha Satan's fault and they were blameless. This is not surprising, because various Ha Satans have been mankind's fall guys for EVER... (see Azazel aka the Scapegoat below).

Now... keep in mind that I don't agree with any of this - that demons are angels who rebelled against God, or that hell exists as a singular place of suffering... but this is historically and religiously accurate from the Christian point of view. Remember what I said above, about taking pagan gods and demonizing them so people would be afraid to worship them and instead turn to the church? Yeah. Most of the demons we worship in Daemonolatry? Once, they were gods. Not angels. Not fallen angels. GODS.

I don't believe that Satan is a bad, evil, whatever angel. I'm fairly convinced that in his position, I would have rebelled eventually, because honestly, that god is a serious DICK, and you can only torture humans for so long before you start to feel sorry for them.

So when we work with demons, we are deliberately accepting that God is just a fat bastard, and we understand that demons, the angels who told God to go fuck himself, are on our side. It's a united front.

This may sound like Demonolatry is like, reverse Christianity, but it's not, because we literally worship the other team. We're not against god, so much as we're for the team that actually plays fair.

Demons understand consent. They understand the importance of free will. They stress personal responsibility.

All you have to do, to understand why we work with demons, is to know the story of Azazel.

Azazel is the black goat who takes the sins of the people before Passover so they can all be ritually clean before God so he doesn't kill them when he... passes over. So they'd dump their sins on this poor innocent unconsenting goat, and then send it out into the desert to die. They did this every year for several thousand years. Eventually, all that sin and death collected, and the demon Azazel was born... Carrying all our sins.

So the original "christ" figure? Was a demon. And none of us think it's fair that he should carry that burden. We vote to carry our own flaws and faults. We CHOOSE not to lie, and we choose not to stand before a god that would accept a lie and cause such misery.

So yeah. We worship demons, and we work with devils, and we swear by the Ha Satan. Because it's THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Morally, ethically, Satan is the good guy, the better team. And if you really want to take a deep look at modern Christianity and how shoving the blame onto someone else so you can call yourself a Christian without being a decent human being is pretty much par for the course... you wouldn't want to be one.

My mother became an atheist because she really, REALLY loves her Christ... and she knew he was holding all her sins, as Azazel did before him... And she felt so guilty it nearly killed her. So she LITERALLY GOT HIS PERMISSION TO NOT BELIEVE. Jesus is a rather nice fellow. I have no intention of giving him anything of mine. I think he's got enough on his plate.

His dad though? Still a murdering dick. You know how many people Satan killed in the bible? 10. You know how many people GOD killed in the bible? We lost count. That many. He committed a SHIT TON of genocide.

So. Please don't sit there thinking that demons are bad and we're all going to suffer in hell.

You are the reason demons suffer in hell, if such a place exists at all. Own it. Do better.



Now... last thing. Do Demons want your Soul?

Short answer? NO.

Look, there are things in this universe that can't be bought or sold. The soul is one of those things. Here's the thing. You have a spirit. That spirit is PART of a larger soul being. That soul being has multiple spirits out living material lives, gathering experiences to bring back to the soul. Since a soul belongs to multiple spirits, one spirit can't sell it.

Secondly, what the heck would a demon even DO with a soul? Do they eat it? Do they trade it like pokemon cards? Do they parade them around to show other demons how great they are at trickery?

The idea of selling your soul to a demon is preposterous when you really think about it. And your soul going to hell? If you still believe that hell is real, and that by following this path, we're all heading there... consider one thing. Pretty much everyone is going to hell. None of us is perfect. So out of everyone who's going to end up there, do you really think that demons are going to be torturing the people who didn't vilify them, and who do their best to be decent people for no better reason than because it's decent? Probably not.



If I've missed anything in this lecture, please feel free to comment. If anything I've said brings up more questions than it answers, please feel free to ask below.

[badboychun]

So if you're Christain, sorry mate. You're fucked.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<I really laughed out loud when I read this. LOVE IT

[Mikaeshin]

Wonderful post. I want to ask some things and put my own commentary on the topic.

Did you know that there's no mention of hell in the bible? Like, at ALL? There's also no mention of the Fall.

Do you know where these ideas came from? Milton's Paradise Lost, and Dante's Divine Comedy. Both fiction.

I thought that the Bible itself was a very elaborate fantasy novel...

But in all seriousness, even though those books were fictional in nature, could we say that, via culture and popular belief, those stories could be made "real"?

Through the same way that the books in the Bible were sanctified, worshiped and now they make up as fundamental fragments of the christian mythology, those same stories became part of christian culture also, even though they are not canonical per se in christian traditions. But that's only my 2 cents there. All in all, I believe the christian concept of villain demons is something that were mostly made up concepts to scare away the manipulated mass Lambs of God^TM from turning away from Papa God, that eventually went to be treated as incontestable truth afterwards.

(Random trivia: funnily enough, even the word "villain" is reminiscent of this antagonizing culture: Villain is supposed to mean "people who live in villas, cities", but medieval Europe clergy compared urban centers as "gateways to hell", because the lifestyle there tended to be "sinful" to the church's eyes. Mostly because merchants and city-dwellers didn't get along with the Church )

Also, another question: Why is the abrahamic God (and most importantly, the institutions that serve him) so manipulative?

I know my and almost everyone's background in this server is of christian origins, but the more I study the story of the abrahamic religions, the scary it is! It seems that there are many cues that God doesn't really like when we choose our own path, one of the first signs for me that sparked a red flag was when Adam and Eve were banished from Eden for eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. (Genesis 2:9 explicitly states it). And instead of being a good dad, he cursed the hell of Adam and Eve. What kind of a caring father is this? And they expect us to see him as the good fellow

[Dragona]

One thing I never understood was the problem with choosing an apple from the tree of knowledge. There were all sorts of trees in the garden and even the tree of life which could have made Adam and Eve immortal or god like and I would think that God would have been more pissed off if Adam and Eve chose an apple from the tree of life because there is only supposed to be one "God." So, they would know things, big deal but to be more like God I would think that would be more of a power struggle there if Adam and Eve wanted to do that.

[Green Fingers]

I would actually recommend reading la divina comedia , the divine comedy by Dante

it reads pretty easily, and if you don't want to read, there are video games you can play "dante's inferno"
which are more or less accurate but it focuses on the shock and horror effect , which is a shame


at the beginning, the reader is guided into hell by a she-wolf, a she-wolf is the animal mother of Rome
there's something to be said about the perspective of the time
but more to be said about predatory government , the whole book kinda reads as punishment porn for histories most hated

[Green Fingers]

I have only one advice for roman catholics : pray that the vatican is wrong about the afterlife

[DrFaustus]

Pretty much everyone is going to hell. None of us is perfect.

I've asked Christians - do you trust - with your eternal soul - the guy who tortured Job and who doesn't care enough to whittle down the 1000 denominations of his church to one set of cohesive doctrines?

Every denomination thinks every other denomination is going to hell except for the universalists, and all the other denominations agree universalists are definitely going to hell.

I don't think Jehovah gives two shits what you believe so long as you are loyal and obedient. I'm sure he offers a kind of heaven to his followers, but I doubt he has ever had the power to send people to hell.

But that's the rub with power, isn't it? Power isn't just what you can do, it's what your enemies think you can do. I don't think he has a problem with those who won't submit to him thinking they'll burn forever. A few of them probably do based on the strength of that belief alone.

When you're indoctrinated in it, you can know full well it's absurd and still live in terror. Deconverting isn't as simple as not believing - the indoctrinated have to go deep and purge it from their bones.

Which is the greatest of ironies - if there's any truth at all to hell, only Christians go there.

I can't comprehend a world where blind belief and obedience is heralded as the ultimate virtue, and you're a grave sinner for not at least trying to work within "the system," - whatever system it might be - and believing in the inherent goodness of people and entities that will ruin your (sometimes eternal) life over a mistranslation in a holy book or a filing error on a document.

Because the mindset goes beyond the ethereal - it's society-wide gaslighting where you are a freak if you don't bend the knee to someone.

Christianity doesn't own the hereafter, and it sure as hell (pun intended) doesn't have a monopoly on spiritual knowledge and practice in this life.

[Cult]

How did I not see this gem until now? Jesus Christ.

There was also no devil in Christianity, to begin with - that was added in later by the church because people weren't converting and they decided to do three things - take pagan holidays and turn them into Christian ones, take their pagan gods and demonize them, and terrify people into believing that if they didn't come to church, they'd suffer in their afterlife.

There wasn't even a BELIEF in heaven or hell, to begin with... hell is a concatenation of a bunch of different mythological underworlds/lands of the dead from multiple cultures, and heaven comes directly from Greek mythology. The hebrew belief where Christianity started was that when you died, you stayed in your body. Sheol is literally "hole in the ground." And on the "last day" all those dead would rise from their graves at the will of God... but, and here's the kicker... ONLY JEWISH PEOPLE WOULD RISE.

So if you're Christain, sorry mate. You're fucked.

There was no institutionalized scheme by the church to do anything like that. Christianity didn't set out to steal holidays, traditions and other elements from pagan religions. That was done by the people themselves, who Christianized their own cultural traditions in an effort to preserve them while adapting to Christianity (eg. the hero/saint cult in Greece, the cult of the holy wells in various regions, a very large body of funerary traditions, the Luna al-Pashti of the Vlachs, etc--some churches in the Balkans even had specified areas within the cathedral for animal sacrifice around the early modern period). The church was largely against this, and to this day a lot of Christian-flavored folk traditions are viewed with a disapproving eye by ecclesiastical authorities.

That has also been done within pagan religions innumerable times before Christianity; syncretism runs deeply in the human spirit. The veneration of gods like Serapis is a result of syncretism. If you want to say the Christian holidays are stolen, then a) you have to say many pagan traditions are also stolen b) you have no idea how cultural development happens throughout history. And lol before I accidentally validate you, syncretism is not the same as being an eclectic who decontextualizes various spirits and traditions and amalgamates them into a practice that doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to any capacity.

Now let's move onto the perception of demons.

First off: Up until about the 1300's, angels and demons were the same things. They were an angel if they were on your side... and if they were on your opponent's side, they were a demon.

Where did you get that? It's true that the lines blur between what entities were what in the popular mind, but relegating them to being 'the same things' divorces the complexity of the spirits involved from the cultural context.

Now... keep in mind that I don't agree with any of this - that demons are angels who rebelled against God, or that hell exists as a singular place of suffering... but this is historically and religiously accurate from the Christian point of view. Remember what I said above, about taking pagan gods and demonizing them so people would be afraid to worship them and instead turn to the church? Yeah. Most of the demons we worship in Daemonolatry? Once, they were gods. Not angels. Not fallen angels. GODS.

You can only make the argument that maybe 2 or 3 of the demons listed in the grimoires were actually demonized old gods, and even that is based on nothing but shaky etymological similarities. What about the rest? Even if by some miracle you had a modicum of evidence for this, godhood wouldn't sanitize the nature of demons considering so many gods act in similarly cruel ways. That aside, if I can threaten your god with a black-handled knife, bind them to a brass vessel and banish them into Tartarus mid-evocation, then that's not a god. I can't do that to Hecate, Isis, Zeus, Loki, or the Christian god. If I can compel a demon into something as simple as not lying to me using nothing but the names of the Abrahamic god, then demons aren't gods; they answer to their own God, even.

Demons understand consent. They understand the importance of free will. They stress personal responsibility.

Nothing you've demonstrated here supports that unless you take on the black and white mentality of a 4 year old who thinks that as long as God is the bad guy, his enemies must be automatically good.

All you have to do, to understand why we work with demons, is to know the story of Azazel.

Azazel is the black goat who takes the sins of the people before Passover so they can all be ritually clean before God so he doesn't kill them when he... passes over. So they'd dump their sins on this poor innocent unconsenting goat, and then send it out into the desert to die. They did this every year for several thousand years. Eventually, all that sin and death collected, and the demon Azazel was born... Carrying all our sins.

So the original "christ" figure? Was a demon. And none of us think it's fair that he should carry that burden. We vote to carry our own flaws and faults. We CHOOSE not to lie, and we choose not to stand before a god that would accept a lie and cause such misery.

You know who else did that? The ancient Greeks. Sacrificial cleansing is an extremely old practice that predates Christianity and Judaism and exists in a multitude of cultures, but your resentment seems to only target Christianity and Judaism. The archetype of Christ has been pervasive throughout human history; Azazel was not by any means the first figure to embody that.

So yeah. We worship demons, and we work with devils, and we swear by the Ha Satan. Because it's THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Morally, ethically, Satan is the good guy, the better team. And if you really want to take a deep look at modern Christianity and how shoving the blame onto someone else so you can call yourself a Christian without being a decent human being is pretty much par for the course... you wouldn't want to be one.

Looking at it as a team of good vs. evil is the same cartoonish cosmology that many Christians have. Aside from the fact that dual observance is a thing, by blaming Christianity for everything and painting their God as the evil in this world, you're practising an identical form of scapegoating that you claim you're against.

His dad though? Still a murdering dick. You know how many people Satan killed in the bible? 10. You know how many people GOD killed in the bible? We lost count. That many. He committed a SHIT TON of genocide.

You'd think that if you're against murder, 10 people would still count as an atrocity. It's absurd to only selectively believe the Old Testament as far as it frames God in a bad light, all the while dismissing the text when it comes to Satan because he's just 'misunderstood'.

Now... last thing. Do Demons want your Soul?

Short answer? NO.

Look, there are things in this universe that can't be bought or sold. The soul is one of those things. Here's the thing. You have a spirit. That spirit is PART of a larger soul being. That soul being has multiple spirits out living material lives, gathering experiences to bring back to the soul. Since a soul belongs to multiple spirits, one spirit can't sell it.

Secondly, what the heck would a demon even DO with a soul? Do they eat it? Do they trade it like pokemon cards? Do they parade them around to show other demons how great they are at trickery?

That's total UPG presented as undeniable fact. There's innumerable pieces of lore that lend weight to the belief that the soul can be stolen, eaten, controlled, assimilated, worn away, or given up to another being, whether that's a demon, a god, a fairy, or another spirit. It's total ownership of who you are and while it's true that not every demon is out to take your soul, it's absurd to act like that can't or hasn't happened--both with demons and with other spirits. Numerous pacts involve bargaining for the soul.

Throughout the entire post you're oversimplifying Christianity in bad faith to try and pacify and proselytize a target audience that appears to be around the age of 5, judging by how you've worded it all. These were the most impressive mental gymnastics you've achieved to date.

[PorkyPig]

I do not consider SATANISM as a correct definition, it is more a provocation: I would rather speak of LEFT HAND PATH!
The Christian Paradise , anyway, is not described as a place I find so appealing : eon after eon like an obedient sheep blinded by the glory of a father -god who makes your Hindu colleague roast in Hell forever as he picked up Durga instead of Mary.
Even the Liberal Christian version is not too nice: listening to Oprah forever, surrounded by gays and 'servants of the poor'? No thanks....
Hell seems funnier!

[Darth Moronius]

I do not consider SATANISM as a correct definition, it is more a provocation: I would rather speak of LEFT HAND PATH!

if it focus with satan and demon, then satanism iscorrect.
left hand path is more than satanism. hindu, buddhist, jain, sikhi, they have lefft hand path too