Satan and Suns

Wanting to mention here: I do not work with Inner Crypt demons. I have, however, run across some during astral traveling.
I've wondered how to explain it & here it is: on earth, I don't work with grizzly bears. Why? Many reasons. Safety being #1. How could I ever relax & wouldn't death be the most obvious outcome?
Same same with Inner Crypts.
It's the death/rot energies that allure bc they're transformative.

I work with demons like Pazuzu (from the ISW) who takes elaborate measures to ensure consent. It's the way to go, I believe.

Quizzical wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:10 pm

This may be known, but I think it needs to be said.

The Inner Spiritual World is our universe and other universes like it and near it. The Outer Spiritual World is outside of and removed from our area / universe. There are boundaries.

Because of what the Inner Spiritual World is, there are protections between our area and that area, namely the Outer Spiritual World.

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The sense I get on the Inner Crypt is that if one of us was able to astrally project there, an inner crypt demon may try to kill the spirit on the sport. Or if they were curious, they would try to extract the spirit and keep it as something to torture.

Also from what I understand, it is a matter of power dynamics in their culture, so you're not going to be able to negotiate. They would be the one who is more powerful there, so they would execute on that power.

Wynd Runner wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:55 pm

Quizzical wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 09, 2024 3:10 pm

This may be known, but I think it needs to be said.

The Inner Spiritual World is our universe and other universes like it and near it. The Outer Spiritual World is outside of and removed from our area / universe. There are boundaries.

Because of what the Inner Spiritual World is, there are protections between our area and that area, namely the Outer Spiritual World.

*********************

The sense I get on the Inner Crypt is that if one of us was able to astrally project there, an inner crypt demon may try to kill the spirit on the sport. Or if they were curious, they would try to extract the spirit and keep it as something to torture.

Also from what I understand, it is a matter of power dynamics in their culture, so you're not going to be able to negotiate. They would be the one who is more powerful there, so they would execute on that power.

Regarding my first post in this thread:
I just didn't know that they reject love and that its abhorrent to them.
I had no idea and I had to learn through humility, which I'm fine with but its not my fault as the sns coven doesn't publish much information on core crypt demons and Lord Svengali so I have to learn by asking dumb sounding questions so they correct me and give me the correct view of them and a lot of info about them. I'm cool with that.
And of course I love outer crypt demons because they let love flow through them. I know what its like to be abused.
Now I know and will adjust my approach accordingly.

Right, the idea would be: I'll respect inner crypt demons, but I won't love them, since it comes off as abhorrent, weak, and being disrespectful to them. Basically; if I want to work with core crypt demons, instead of showing love to them, I should be more powerful than them and have demon companions and other spirit companions that are more powerful than them. Yet I should be respectful and cordial with them. I am only interested in core crypt demons that are into specific things; and the rest of the core cypt demons can frankly fuck off. I'll defend myself if I have to. I'm not afraid to kick some ass if I have to.

I don't underestimate core crypt demons, but they shouldn't underestimate me either.
Many people regret fucking with me. I become very dangerous when people fuck with me. Not trying to sound edgy or bare my teeth, just stating a fact. People who have harmed me I have harmed back, sometimes waiting patiently to eventually exact my revenge in a cold and calculating matter. Even if people think others are trying to be edgy, it isn't always the case. Sure I am emotionally wounded, but other times, I am grounded in reality, and wait patiently and am cold and calculating to strike my adversary. People who call me edgy clearly underestimate me. No one should underestimate me. But I don't mind if people underestimate me. In fact, I prefer it, to appear weak and edgy is what I want my adversary to see.

Anyway...For instance, Magistrate Alastor is a fearsome and vicious demon judge who is very scary when angered, many fear his wrath, and yet.. while I respect him, I don't fear him, which suprised him.

And if I can't handle my opponent, then I call on; my companions, the dark lords, the unholy trinity, and the holy trinity to aid me. I am friends with the dark lords, the unholy trinity, and the holy trinity, and have a few spirit companions. Having powerful friends helps if we can't handle a situation on our own.
I am a prayer warrior, prayer is my spiritual speciality and my spiritual gift. Prayer and petition.

I ask these questions to learn and grow at any cost. I dont mind being humbled. When we start learning we realize how little we really know. All I care about is learning.
I keep my eyes stay on the prize no matter the sacrifice.

Thanks for your input Wyndrunner.

Thanks to everyone else for their output.
Thank you to the coven for their wisdom and input.

Let it be known that this is also a group learning and growing experience for us all.
And that the whole purpose is learning and growing at whatever cost.

All I understand is the POV of realm I live in, the POV some of my experiences, and POV, experiences, and adversities of my tribe. And I wanna learn all about crypt demons and the OSW.

Quizzical wrote: Regarding my first post in this thread:
I just didn't know that they reject love and that its abhorrent to them.
I had no idea and I had to learn through humility, which I'm fine with but its not my fault as the sns coven doesn't publish much information on core crypt demons and Lord Svengali so I have to learn by asking dumb sounding questions so they correct me and give me the correct view of them and a lot of info about them. I'm cool with that.

You have said in multiple posts that the sns coven doesn't publish much information on the core crypt. We have lots published, but we also have clients and other work that has to be completed. It comes across really rude that you keep bringing this up and it comes across in a passive aggressive and I am going to say using passive aggressive language is not going to convince me to release more information, maybe showing me that you have the capacity to comprehend the information that I have already shared.

Part of having someone open up to you and share their private knowledge is showing that you respect them and their work and showing that you have the capacity to comprehend what they are saying and have a healthy conversation with them. My brother is a PHD in mathematics, he is not going to share his math research with someone who doesn't understand basic math, it isn't gatekeeping it is comprehension. It is understanding the basic concepts and showing comprehension and the ability to contribute to the conversations.

No one is going to want to open up to you when you act like you do. You started by love bombing all of us, most of us have been abused and know what love bombing is and we either don't respond to it or we do not reacte well to it. Now your language has shifted to be more threatening and that we should fear you or not unonderestimate you. This is not the way to build connections with others and it is not ways to earn the truth of others. It again shows you are wounded, insecure and lacking in the basic knowledge of forming healthy bonds with other humans. These are areas that you should focus on, building healthy connections with other humans.

Quizzical wrote: And of course I love outer crypt demons because they let love flow through them. I know what its like to be abused.
Now I know and will adjust my approach accordingly.

Right, the idea would be: I'll respect inner crypt demons, but I won't love them, since it comes off as abhorrent, weak, and being disrespectful to them. Basically; if I want to work with core crypt demons, instead of showing love to them, I should be more powerful than them and have demon companions and other spirit companions that are more powerful than them. Yet I should be respectful and cordial with them. I am only interested in core crypt demons that are into specific things; and the rest of the core cypt demons can frankly fuck off. I'll defend myself if I have to. I'm not afraid to kick some ass if I have to.

These are gods, even saying that you will be more powerful then they are is an Inner Spiritual World concept. In the Inner Spiritual World we can gain more power and have divine spiritual authority here to take control of our space and our surroundings. The Inner Spiritual World has a layer of safety that the Outer Spiritual World doesn't which leads to a false sense of security. In the Outer Spiritual World we cannot just become more powerful, these are ancient beings who some have lived longer then our universe has existed. This is a different place with different rules and you have to respect those rules and the dangers that are out there. If you want to work within the Inner Spiritual World that is fine, but in the Core Crypt no one will come to rescue you and no one will hear you scream. They don't like outsiders, they don't like humans so why would you even go into their realm?

Quizzical wrote: I don't underestimate core crypt demons, but they shouldn't underestimate me either.
Many people regret fucking with me. I become very dangerous when people fuck with me. Not trying to sound edgy or bare my teeth, just stating a fact. People who have harmed me I have harmed back, sometimes waiting patiently to eventually exact my revenge in a cold and calculating matter. Even if people think others are trying to be edgy, it isn't always the case. Sure I am emotionally wounded, but other times, I am grounded in reality, and wait patiently and am cold and calculating to strike my adversary. People who call me edgy clearly underestimate me. No one should underestimate me. But I don't mind if people underestimate me. In fact, I prefer it, to appear weak and edgy is what I want my adversary to see.

Any man who must say, "I am the King", is no true king. ~ Game of Throne... A warrior who is truly tough doesn't need to constantly profess how tough he is.

Quizzical wrote: Anyway...For instance, Magistrate Alastor is a fearsome and vicious demon judge who is very scary when angered, many fear his wrath, and yet.. while I respect him, I don't fear him, which suprised him.

I found him to be a sweetheart myself, I don't understand what this has to do with your point.

Quizzical wrote: And if I can't handle my opponent, then I call on; my companions, the dark lords, the unholy trinity, and the holy trinity to aid me. I am friends with the dark lords, the unholy trinity, and the holy trinity, and have a few spirit companions. Having powerful friends helps if we can't handle a situation on our own.
I am a prayer warrior, prayer is my spiritual speciality and my spiritual gift. Prayer and petition.

Ah so you walk into danger and when you can't get out you call to the dark lords and others to save you... it's not right to put yourself in harms way then expect others to bail you out. If you end up in trouble through accident then yes call for help, but to voluntarily and continually put yourself in harms way when you have been repeatedly warned of the dangers and then want others to save you is pretty crappy and show poor judgement.

Quizzical wrote: I ask these questions to learn and grow at any cost. I dont mind being humbled. When we start learning we realize how little we really know. All I care about is learning.
I keep my eyes stay on the prize no matter the sacrifice.

Asking the questions without the casual need to threaten others and sound edgy would go a long way. No love bombing, no threats, learning how to communicate in a healthy way will go a lot further.

I will tell you how you talk about the coven and how you talk in general makes me not really want to share things with you. I don't respond to love bombing, and I don't respond thinly veiled threats. I enjoys deep intellectual discussions with people who have a deep connection and understanding to darkness and who have the capacity to understand the concepts being present or offer their own in a way that contributes and heightens the understanding of the topic. I also enjoy healthy friendships and connections with others. Learning how to form healthy friendships and healthy ways to connect with others will go a long way to attaining the goals that you have.

Akelta wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 18, 2024 2:42 pm

Any man who must say, "I am the King", is no true king. ~ Game of Throne... A warrior who is truly tough doesn't need to constantly profess how tough he is.

Those were exactly the same thoughts I had. With several of their posts.