between astral travel and clear dream

[Rooh]

I want Clarification please
between astral travel and clear dream
I'm tired and I can not find the healing answer

I read a lot of ladies and practitioners About astral travel and interviews with spirits and demons ، Is this a clear dream ? They reached the degree of control over their dreams and They can say and do anything


or is through soul comes out of the flesh ( Astral projection ) another process They can meet and talk with demons and spirits


I want to know the right way and the correct name to meet my demons and spirits

difference between them or the same thing ، I apologize to everyone But I'm tired of thinking and the right way

thanks for all

[Darth Moronius]

dream: you sleep
travel: you not sleep

[Rooh]

Thanks for the answer

But how do I not sleep You mean Relax until I find myself outside the body I see only my spirits only ??? I never sleep Just a rigid body ???

[Passchendaele]

It's not your soul that Astral travels. There are many layers of "self" between your waking self and your essence. Generally speaking, your soul does not leave your body until death. There are, of course, exceptions. "Walk-ins" happen all the time, but only between two souls who have reached an agreement to exchange one essence for the other because of, usually, unforeseen difficulties one soul is having in the life it chose between lives. We are not clock-work automatons, forced to live out some "destiny" that we have no control over. IMHO , destiny is as ridicules as the concept of "eternal damnation"

Like Lord Satan has nothing better to do than turn his realm into a landfill for unwanted souls that "Jehovah" wanted to see tortured for thousands of years. He is One Sick Puppy

It can be that a "clear dream" is what you bring back from some time spent in Astral Travel. In my experience, it often is. But, ...,Big... But...That dream will still be "clothed" in symbolism that is relevant to you, and usually, only you. Many find dream symbolism confusing, it is actually the easiest way to "show" your waking self what happened during a jaunt through the daisy fields of the Astral Plane. Yes, it does take work to "read" that symbolism. But it's also immensely rewarding to do that work. It will help you realize that there are real "layers" of self, that we are, in fact, multi-dimensional.

Beyond the waking self is a "you" that has no need to be guided through the Astral. You have spent far,far more time hanging with your Besties on the Astral than you have on-line in this life

[Rooh]

Do you think that some clear dream is a kind of astral travel

Thank you this is a part of the hard puzzle for me
But it can develop with a lot of experience

[Heretique]

in my experience yes clear/lucid dreaming can be the same thing as astral travel. I rarely ever "dream" as such and mostly end up doing work on the astral- while i am asleep- i can go lucid at some points as well and the difference between them really isn't as clear cut as you may think. Also for the soul thing leaving your body shamanic journeying and hedge-riding can be closer to the soul leaving the body- though it is more spirit leaving the body ( which to me is different and deeper then the astral form), but it depends on your definition of such.